It’s Official: Generator Ban Passes in California
Dec 14, 2021 15:28:49 #
https://rvmiles.com/california-generator-ban/
The California Air Resources Board (CARB) passed a regulation aimed at “Small Off-Road Engines” on Thursday that will ban the sale of portable generators in the state — which includes generators mounted in recreational vehicles.
The ruling bans the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers and lawnmowers in the state beginning in 2024. Portable generators will be required to meet more stringent standards in 2024 and meet zero-emission standards starting in 2028.
In the 2024 model year, portable generators will have to improve their efficiency by somewhere between 40% and 90%, which seems unrealistic in such a short period of time, so the reality is, it will be very hard to find a generator in Calfornia in two years.
The original text of the ruling was ambiguous on whether the use of generators would be banned — that’s been cleared up. You will still be able to use a generator you already own in California, so there will be no issue for current RV owners or those who travel into the state.
The statement from CARB says that despite their small size, Small Off-Road Engines are highly polluting. The volume of smog-forming emissions from this type of equipment has surpassed emissions from light-duty passenger cars and is projected to be nearly twice those of passenger cars by 2031.
The ruling seems directly aimed at landscaping businesses, trying to get them to adopt battery power. But does lumping generators in with lawnmowers and leaf blowers make sense, especially in a state with so many power outages? A comparable solar system to a $400 generator costs in the tens of thousands and is still hampered by a cloudy day.
The RV industry has recently embraced solar power heavily, but the reality is, without extensive upgrades, it’s impossible to run the electrical systems on an RV without shore power or a generator. Many people — even those with solar power systems — use their generators for emergency power.
The California Air Resources Board (CARB) passed a regulation aimed at “Small Off-Road Engines” on Thursday that will ban the sale of portable generators in the state — which includes generators mounted in recreational vehicles.
The ruling bans the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers and lawnmowers in the state beginning in 2024. Portable generators will be required to meet more stringent standards in 2024 and meet zero-emission standards starting in 2028.
In the 2024 model year, portable generators will have to improve their efficiency by somewhere between 40% and 90%, which seems unrealistic in such a short period of time, so the reality is, it will be very hard to find a generator in Calfornia in two years.
The original text of the ruling was ambiguous on whether the use of generators would be banned — that’s been cleared up. You will still be able to use a generator you already own in California, so there will be no issue for current RV owners or those who travel into the state.
The statement from CARB says that despite their small size, Small Off-Road Engines are highly polluting. The volume of smog-forming emissions from this type of equipment has surpassed emissions from light-duty passenger cars and is projected to be nearly twice those of passenger cars by 2031.
The ruling seems directly aimed at landscaping businesses, trying to get them to adopt battery power. But does lumping generators in with lawnmowers and leaf blowers make sense, especially in a state with so many power outages? A comparable solar system to a $400 generator costs in the tens of thousands and is still hampered by a cloudy day.
The RV industry has recently embraced solar power heavily, but the reality is, without extensive upgrades, it’s impossible to run the electrical systems on an RV without shore power or a generator. Many people — even those with solar power systems — use their generators for emergency power.
Dec 14, 2021 15:44:22 #
Dec 14, 2021 16:28:45 #
Dec 14, 2021 16:36:36 #
Architect1776 wrote:
It already takes a permit to install a Generator of 50HP or more in Ca. and approval can take up to a year.
I would rather see just banning 2 cycle gas engines, some Motorcycles and many and dirt bikes, along with a lot of lawn equipment use these super polluters.
Dec 14, 2021 16:48:47 #
letmedance wrote:
It already takes a permit to install a Generator of 50HP or more in Ca. and approval can take up to a year.
I would rather see just banning 2 cycle gas engines, some Motorcycles and many and dirt bikes, along with a lot of lawn equipment use these super polluters.
I would rather see just banning 2 cycle gas engines, some Motorcycles and many and dirt bikes, along with a lot of lawn equipment use these super polluters.
Why not all motorcycles as well as they have pipes that just blow exhaust straight out?
I would go for that in CA.
Dec 14, 2021 17:13:59 #
Architect1776 wrote:
Why not all motorcycles as well as they have pipes that just blow exhaust straight out?
I would go for that in CA.
Why not all motorcycles as well as they have pipes that just blow exhaust straight out?
I would go for that in CA.
I checked on it and although this is about Harleys it does state that all motorcycles now ship with emission control systems. Read what it says about the fines Harley Davidson had to pay.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1105949_harleys-with-no-emission-controls-a-much-bigger-problem-than-you-know
Dec 14, 2021 17:41:08 #
IDguy
Loc: Idaho
letmedance wrote:
It already takes a permit to install a Generator of 50HP or more in Ca. and approval can take up to a year.
I would rather see just banning 2 cycle gas engines, some Motorcycles and many and dirt bikes, along with a lot of lawn equipment use these super polluters.
I would rather see just banning 2 cycle gas engines, some Motorcycles and many and dirt bikes, along with a lot of lawn equipment use these super polluters.
So all cell tower generators go?
ER emergency gens?
Dec 14, 2021 18:07:40 #
Glad I don't live in the State of Loco known as California, where I live most homes have generators because falling trees can knock your power out of days.... I am sure that in the forested areas of California residents face similar challenges, then when you throw in the Brown Outs because of unreliable electrical generation and grids...... Well, like I said, I am glad that I don't live in California.
Dec 14, 2021 20:04:32 #
Wyantry
Loc: SW Colorado
Blurryeyed wrote:
Glad I don't live in the State of Loco known as California, where I live most homes have generators because falling trees can knock your power out of days.... I am sure that in the forested areas of California residents face similar challenges, then when you throw in the Brown Outs because of unreliable electrical generation and grids...... Well, like I said, I am glad that I don't live in California.
It appears the avowed purpose of all these “Greenie” proposals is to drive rational and sensible self-reliant types from the state. No generators. No leaf-blowers. No mulchers. No chainsaws. No rototillers. No edging trimmers. No _____, No ______, No _____.
Pretty soon no blanking-people!
Just an Overage of politicians and enforcement-weenies to spy, cite and fine.
And lots of indigents sucking at the governments teats.
Dec 14, 2021 20:07:59 #
IDguy wrote:
So all cell tower generators go?
ER emergency gens?
ER emergency gens?
I did not say that.
Dec 14, 2021 20:11:49 #
Wyantry
Loc: SW Colorado
Blurryeyed wrote:
Glad I don't live in the State of Loco known as California, where I live most homes have generators because falling trees can knock your power out of days.... I am sure that in the forested areas of California residents face similar challenges, then when you throw in the Brown Outs because of unreliable electrical generation and grids...... Well, like I said, I am glad that I don't live in California.
AKA C****efornia.
The entire area is becoming “Californicated”.
Dec 14, 2021 22:41:01 #
IDguy
Loc: Idaho
Gee, wonder how the law applies to this:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a32970167/f-150-generator-pro-power-onboard/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a32970167/f-150-generator-pro-power-onboard/
Dec 14, 2021 22:42:22 #
IDguy
Loc: Idaho
letmedance wrote:
I did not say that.
I’m asking. You were supporting this latest Californiafication.
Dec 14, 2021 22:46:55 #
IDguy
Loc: Idaho
Wyantry wrote:
It appears the avowed purpose of all these “Greenie” proposals is to drive rational and sensible self-reliant types from the state. No generators. No leaf-blowers. No mulchers. No chainsaws. No rototillers. No edging trimmers. No _____, No ______, No _____.
Pretty soon no blanking-people!
Just an Overage of politicians and enforcement-weenies to spy, cite and fine.
And lots of indigents sucking at the governments teats.
Pretty soon no blanking-people!
Just an Overage of politicians and enforcement-weenies to spy, cite and fine.
And lots of indigents sucking at the governments teats.
But hey, you can get anything you want by joining a mob robbery with no consequenses.
Dec 14, 2021 23:06:40 #
Wyantry
Loc: SW Colorado
IDguy wrote:
But hey, you can get anything you want by joining a mob robbery with no consequenses.
Just what we [don’t] need: unpunished robbery flash-mobs! (Thanx Gavin!)
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