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Dec 3, 2021 09:02:32   #
Woodworm65 Loc: Lombard, IL
 
His father needs to be held accountable as well as him and they should both be locked up.

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Dec 3, 2021 09:02:52   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
btbg wrote:
Metal detectors are not required in all schools. However, with that said, yes this one was preventable. He told people what he was going to do. The primary person he threatened stayed home because he feared for his safety. Unfortunately no one turned the kid in to authorities until it was too late.

That and he had an irresponsible dad who had just bought a gun and did not lock it up. So, yes, it was preventable.

There are lots of reasons it is becoming commonplace. However, you should note that it isn't that much more common than in the past, it is just much more published than before. One of the main reasons it is happening is we have failed to teach kids how to properly use and respect guns. We have failed to teach kids to respect others. And, we have taken guns out of the hands of teachers and other school personnel. Shoot, when we were in school everyone had at least one gun in the gun rack in the back of their unlocked pickup at school, but nobody would have dared use one because we all knew that most of the school staff were armed and knew how to shoot, and we knew that everyone else had a gun too.

With all that said you might be interested to note that school deaths are actually down from where they were in the early 90s.

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/schoolviolence/savd.html

There is a graph part way down the story that shows school deaths by year from 1992 to 2016. You will note that the two highs on the graph are in 1992 and 2006. The one big change is that a higher percentage of the violent deaths involve multiple deaths, but that there are fewer total instances of violent death. In fact, 2016, the last year on the report was well below the average deaths per year. So, much of what you are seeing is actually perception, and not necessarily fact.
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When were you in school and where was your school? I’m trying to understand the context of your assertion that most of the school staff were armed. And how much is "most" staff were armed, 51%, 80%, 40%?

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Dec 3, 2021 09:09:33   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
waymond wrote:
Because we are becoming a sick, demented, me only society. Years ago, institutions, like churches and businesses, including entire villages and cities, including public officials, spoke out against this kind of behavior. That kind of leadership is missing, due to selfishness, politics, cowardice, MYOB, or some other ideology that is allowing this Nation to go to Hell in a breadbasket.



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Dec 3, 2021 09:13:56   #
pendennis
 
usnret wrote:
Was the latest school shooting in Michigan preventable? Wasn't a medal detector mandated a while back to prevent guns from being brought into the schools? Aren't parents being held accountable? Why is this now becoming a common place occurrence?


There's been no mandate to install metal detectors in Michigan schools. Not only is it an issue of cost, but also of logistics. In a school of 1500, or so, students, and all them starting at virtually the same time, it would be nearly impossible to pass students through detectors in a timely manner. Even using hand-held devices, it would be a nightmare. Students have all types of "metal" on them; from keys, to cell phones, to laptops/pads, etc. Whenever a device detects metal, the person has to be inspected manually, or through a body scan. And if scanning conveyors are used, the same logistical problems exist.

Now, that may work in an airport, but airports generally operate for about 18 hours daily, and there's generally not a huge rush at any one time. Flights are spread out among numerous gates, opposite the flow of a school.

Ideally, it's "TSA" type security, but at what cost?

The solution, is upstream from the school door. As you called it, it's parenting.

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Dec 3, 2021 09:21:56   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Preventable? I think yes if we take people off video games that killing people is fun. You noticed that most of the shooting the guy who did the shooting didn't do it out of greed but more out of fun.


You are ENTIRELY right Beb.... People CONTINUE to allow their kids to hole up in their rooms and play violent video games.... What is to be expected ? The Industry CONTINUES to produce these games. WHERE is the outrage against an industry that promotes violence !

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Dec 3, 2021 09:37:18   #
BebuLamar
 
MrBob wrote:
You are ENTIRELY right Beb.... People CONTINUE to allow their kids to hole up in their rooms and play violent video games.... What is to be expected ? The Industry CONTINUES to produce these games. WHERE is the outrage against an industry that promotes violence !


I am all for freedom and don't want any censorship but the idea of killing is fun is the cause of most of these shootings. Sure people kill out of greed but those don't do it often because they need to figure out how to get away with it which is extremely difficult. These people doing it out of fun and they don't care the consequence. Most killed themselves.

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Dec 3, 2021 09:45:57   #
josquin1 Loc: Massachusetts
 
And the republicans support the sacrifice of school children to protect their 2nd amendment gun rights.

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Dec 3, 2021 09:49:35   #
BebuLamar
 
josquin1 wrote:
And the republicans support the sacrifice of school children to protect their 2nd amendment gun rights.


I am again must say for freedom and do not want to prohibit guns or games but if you have to take away gun or video games I would take away video games instead of guns.

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Dec 3, 2021 09:51:57   #
Dannj
 
Someone commented:
“Shoot, when we were in school everyone had at least one gun in the gun rack in the back of their unlocked pickup at school, but nobody would have dared use one because we all knew that most of the school staff were armed and knew how to shoot, and we knew that everyone else had a gun too.”

We didn’t have school shootings when I went to school either. No one had guns, students or teachers. From these conflicting positions it might appear that there are two ways to prevent school shootings: Everyone has a gun or no one has a gun. I prefer the latter.

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Dec 3, 2021 09:53:45   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Dannj wrote:
Someone commented:
“Shoot, when we were in school everyone had at least one gun in the gun rack in the back of their unlocked pickup at school, but nobody would have dared use one because we all knew that most of the school staff were armed and knew how to shoot, and we knew that everyone else had a gun too.”

We didn’t have school shootings when I went to school either. No one had guns, students or teachers. From these conflicting positions it might appear that there are two ways to prevent school shootings: Everyone has a gun or no one has a gun. I prefer the latter.
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Dec 3, 2021 10:12:04   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
josquin1 wrote:
And the republicans support the sacrifice of school children to protect their 2nd amendment gun rights.


What a dumba$$ statement!!!

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Dec 3, 2021 10:12:25   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
josquin1 wrote:
And the republicans support the sacrifice of school children to protect their 2nd amendment gun rights.

Had to make it political didn't ya.....

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Dec 3, 2021 10:13:28   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
whatdat wrote:
What a dumba$$ statement!!!


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Dec 3, 2021 10:16:50   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Preventable? I think yes if we take people off video games that killing people is fun. You noticed that most of the shooting the guy who did the shooting didn't do it out of greed but more out of fun.


I've been playing those games for +/- 30 years and have never had the desire to do it in real life. It's time to stop playing the tools and games and focus on the individual. I still haven't heard anyone blaming a car or alcohol for killing someone when there was an intoxicated driver behind the wheel.

Personal accountability is the only thing that is lacking in people...it has nothing to do with religion, politics, the weather or any other band-aid fix we try to throw at it.

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Dec 3, 2021 10:17:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
johngault007 wrote:
I've been playing those games for +/- 30 years and have never had the desire to do it in real life. It's time to stop playing the tools and games and focus on the individual. I still haven't heard anyone blaming a car or alcohol for killing someone when there was an intoxicated driver behind the wheel.

Personal accountability is the only thing that is lacking in people...it has nothing to do with religion, politics, the weather or any other band-aid fix we try to throw at it.


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