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Nov 8, 2012 15:02:05   #
treehugger Loc: Eastern Idaho Highlands
 
Hay MtnMan, I think I know those two ladies. Will look for you in the park come spring.

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Nov 8, 2012 15:02:06   #
staciee7 Loc: Stanton, TN
 
treehugger wrote:
I feel a need to explain my personal bias before responding to this question. I am not a strong supporter of the cut, paste, and cloning tools found in Photoshop, or other like programs. When a photograph it taken, it's not just a record of the "main subject," it's a record of the surroundings. When we remove or add stuff, we are not capturing the moment, we are creating a world that does not exist.
In this case, instead of searching for ways to "improve" the image by removing references to civilization, why not incorporate them into the photograph as a record of the inter-face between us and the wild creatures we stopped to admire in the first place.
Yeah, I agree totally, when I cut and paste, I feel like I am somehow cheating the photograph.
A few years ago we stopped somewhere in Northern CA, or maybe Oregon, and photographed Elk grazing on grass in front of a red building. It might have been a church or something. The juxtaposition of the elk, green grass, blue sky, red building, and tourists is one of my favorite photos.
And before you ask, yes I use Aperture for my post production work. Mainly to correct my mistakes in exposure, and maybe add a little contrast.
I feel a need to explain my personal bias before r... (show quote)

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Nov 8, 2012 15:03:20   #
staciee7 Loc: Stanton, TN
 
I tend to agree, when I do that, it makes me feel like I am somehow cheating, and not going with the natural flow of the picture.

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Nov 8, 2012 15:03:44   #
mel Loc: Jacksonville, Florida
 
MtnMan wrote:
Nanc wrote:
I recently took some great pictures of elk during the rutting season in N. Calif. However, in the background are poles, people, and cars. Please tell me a good, not too complicated, way to get rid of these unwanted obstacles. I am willing to buy any software that will accomplish this goal.


Photoshop Elements 11 will do this in a variety of ways. It is on sale in Costco this week for $49.

These ladies had some stuff around them I removed with Elements 10. They were in a neighbor's yard.
quote=Nanc I recently took some great pictures of... (show quote)


Thank's for the tip. I just got back from Costco claiming my $30.00 rebate, 'cos I paid $79.00 for it 2 weeks ago.

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Nov 8, 2012 15:04:23   #
treehugger Loc: Eastern Idaho Highlands
 
Hay MtnMan, I think I know those two ladies. Will look for you in the park come spring.

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Nov 8, 2012 15:09:32   #
dachs
 
treehugger wrote:
I feel a need to explain my personal bias before responding to this question. I am not a strong supporter of the cut, paste, and cloning tools found in Photoshop, or other like programs. When a photograph it taken, it's not just a record of the "main subject," it's a record of the surroundings. When we remove or add stuff, we are not capturing the moment, we are creating a world that does not exist.
In this case, instead of searching for ways to "improve" the image by removing references to civilization, why not incorporate them into the photograph as a record of the inter-face between us and the wild creatures we stopped to admire in the first place.
A few years ago we stopped somewhere in Northern CA, or maybe Oregon, and photographed Elk grazing on grass in front of a red building. It might have been a church or something. The juxtaposition of the elk, green grass, blue sky, red building, and tourists is one of my favorite photos.
And before you ask, yes I use Aperture for my post production work. Mainly to correct my mistakes in exposure, and maybe add a little contrast.
I feel a need to explain my personal bias before r... (show quote)


1) Yes a snap is a photo, it is what you saw, what you want to recall, the honest truth of the scene.......
2) Fine Art with manipulation is what a painter does, perfectly valid, and if you wish to win a competition......

well, that's a quandry? You solve it with your feelings, that is the art of it. If it is good (the deer are of course) then we (the unknowing viewers) will judge the final presentation, purely by results

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Nov 8, 2012 15:40:38   #
raynardo Loc: Oceanside, CA
 
treehugger wrote:
I am not a strong supporter of the cut, paste, and cloning tools found in Photoshop, or other like programs. When a photograph it taken, it's not just a record of the "main subject," it's a record of the surroundings. When we remove or add stuff, we are not capturing the moment, we are creating a world that does not exist.


Simply taking a photo creates a world that does not exist. Last I checked the world is three dimensions, but photos are mostly in two dimensions.

Next, exposure alters this reality.

Then lens choice alters this reality.

And lastly, the way I look at a scene is probably much different that the way you see it. Which one of these is right?

Of course there's the philosophy that there is no reality, since all of us interpret our own reality.

Heavy enough?

Go ahead an continue shoot your photos the way you're most comfortable with, I'll shoot mine my way. I don't have to impress you unless you hired me. :-D

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Nov 8, 2012 15:51:39   #
RealBohemian Loc: Toronto
 
I use XARA and love it,it does more

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Nov 8, 2012 16:30:24   #
BigDaveMT Loc: Plentywood, MT
 
I've got PS Elements 9, but before I purchased that, I used The Gimp and I was able to remove some distracting elements some of my photos.

Here is a before & after of one of the photos I cleaned up:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5190/5615223853_60f9cdee45.jpg


http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5261/5652037963_ec649edc8b.jpg

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Nov 8, 2012 16:52:49   #
dachs
 
yup, you done good: normally I'd say no, do not manipulate, but some are worth it, this is one of those.
Well done m8

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Nov 8, 2012 17:45:58   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
raynardo wrote:
treehugger wrote:
I am not a strong supporter of the cut, paste, and cloning tools found in Photoshop, or other like programs. When a photograph it taken, it's not just a record of the "main subject," it's a record of the surroundings. When we remove or add stuff, we are not capturing the moment, we are creating a world that does not exist.


Simply taking a photo creates a world that does not exist. Last I checked the world is three dimensions, but photos are mostly in two dimensions.

Next, exposure alters this reality.

Then lens choice alters this reality.

And lastly, the way I look at a scene is probably much different that the way you see it. Which one of these is right?

Of course there's the philosophy that there is no reality, since all of us interpret our own reality.

Heavy enough?

Go ahead an continue shoot your photos the way you're most comfortable with, I'll shoot mine my way. I don't have to impress you unless you hired me. :-D
quote=treehugger I am not a strong supporter of t... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 8, 2012 18:03:59   #
Dixiegirl Loc: Alabama gulf coast
 
It's easily done in PSElements using a layer mask, spot healing tool or clone stamp.
Nanc wrote:
I recently took some great pictures of elk during the rutting season in N. Calif. However, in the background are poles, people, and cars. Please tell me a good, not too complicated, way to get rid of these unwanted obstacles. I am willing to buy any software that will accomplish this goal.

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Nov 8, 2012 19:25:01   #
Nanc Loc: Rocky Face
 
I partially agree with you. Sometimes the surroundings do make for an interesting picture. However, I recently took a great picture of a caribou with giant antlers standing under the Alaskan pipeline. I just want a picture of the caribou without the pipeline. I will make a copy of the original picture, but that pipeline is distracting as hell. I just want to focus my eyes on the beautiful caribou.

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Nov 8, 2012 19:32:03   #
Dixiegirl Loc: Alabama gulf coast
 
Why don't you post your photo on this thread. I'd like to see what you're talking about.
Nanc wrote:
I partially agree with you. Sometimes the surroundings do make for an interesting picture. However, I recently took a great picture of a caribou with giant antlers standing under the Alaskan pipeline. I just want a picture of the caribou without the pipeline. I will make a copy of the original picture, but that pipeline is distracting as hell. I just want to focus my eyes on the beautiful caribou.

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Nov 8, 2012 19:54:01   #
treehugger Loc: Eastern Idaho Highlands
 
Simply taking a photo creates a world that does not exist. Last I checked the world is three dimensions, but photos are mostly in two dimensions.
.............

I neve thought of it that way. I guess the best thing is for me to hang up my gear and start a search for the real world, that doesn't exist. May take a while...

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