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Oct 25, 2021 10:20:14   #
roaddogie
 
So lucky you weren't in there. Do you drain the tank after using to prevent moisture from collecting in it?

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Oct 25, 2021 11:14:30   #
Abo
 
HOHIMER wrote:
Do not weld a patch on a rusted tank! It will NOT hold! Welding rusty metal is just asking for it!
Think of this: If the end cap were 12 inches by 12 inches...that is 144 sq. inches. At 100 psi, that is 14,400 pounds pushing on that rusty end! Plus, when it blows, the air expands in milli seconds, to pressures that a building may not be able to withstand. So, the doors, windows and walls may fly apart! If the walls are strong and tight....it could blow the roof off! Shrapnel from the tank could slice through your body if you are in the room when the tank blows.
DO NOT WELD A RUSTY TANK!
Do not weld a patch on a rusted tank! It will NOT... (show quote)


Not to mention Newtons 3rd law launching the rest of the compressor
at warp factor 9

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Oct 25, 2021 11:26:39   #
JBRIII
 
I have often wondered about that problem. Even draining is going to leave some water behind for rusting.

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Oct 25, 2021 11:30:14   #
Abo
 
HOHIMER wrote:
Do not weld a patch on a rusted tank! It will NOT hold! Welding rusty metal is just asking for it!
Think of this: If the end cap were 12 inches by 12 inches...that is 144 sq. inches. At 100 psi, that is 14,400 pounds pushing on that rusty end! Plus, when it blows, the air expands in milli seconds, to pressures that a building may not be able to withstand. So, the doors, windows and walls may fly apart! If the walls are strong and tight....it could blow the roof off! Shrapnel from the tank could slice through your body if you are in the room when the tank blows.
DO NOT WELD A RUSTY TANK!
Do not weld a patch on a rusted tank! It will NOT... (show quote)


Not to mention Newtons 3rd doing ballistics to the tune of 14,400 pounds of thrust with the rest of the compressor... Houston we have a problem!

A disaster with multiple negative clearances (vis a vis the collateral damage) as opposed to "Near"
disaster... as Mangles has it.

"Mangles" by name, "mangles" by nature... Aided and abetted by TriX

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Oct 25, 2021 11:30:22   #
thomseninc
 
I've seen enough reports like this, so I got rid of my 27 year old compressor and bought a new one. I also spent around $10 on Amazon for an automatic compressor drain valve. Every 45 minutes it burps the drain for 0.5 seconds so no water will accumulate. Best money I have ever spent.

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Oct 25, 2021 11:38:54   #
Abo
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
This was a cheap compressor and the tank was not made of very heavy steel and it was old, never had a clue that anything was amiss.
Personally I don't believe in patching pressure vessels, When I moved down here I should have hammered on the bottom of the tank, it probably would have dented seeing how thin it was. Oh well should have could have, I defiantly will not use another tank that is past its test date which Im sure this one was.
In fact I will check to see if it was tested when manufactured as soon as its daylight.
This was a cheap compressor and the tank was not m... (show quote)


I may not be able to "walk and chew gum at the same time", but my compressor
tank is dry and gets "drained" regularly... you silly old goomer.

Looks like the next "near" disaster is someone getting electrocuted at your place.

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Oct 25, 2021 11:51:55   #
lxu532 Loc: Cherry Hill, NJ
 
Wow! I'm so glad you weren't hurt.

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Oct 25, 2021 12:33:52   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Abo wrote:
Not to mention Newtons 3rd doing ballistics to the tune of 14,400 pounds of thrust with the rest of the compressor... Houston we have a problem!

A disaster with multiple negative clearances (vis a vis the collateral damage) as opposed to "Near"
disaster... as Mangles has it.

"Mangles" by name, "mangles" by nature... Aided and abetted by TriX


Not sure what you mean by aided and abetted. I completely agree about not welding rusted metal, however I was referring to an area about the size of a nickel where I could feel some bubbling in the paint. Could be rust, maybe just a poor paint job. Of course I wouldn’t weld a 10” x 10” patch over a nickel sized hole or over rusted metal. My plan is to disassemble the compressor and examine the area thoroughly inside and outside. If a large size area shows rust internally, I will discard the tank. If there is a single spot with no surrounding rust inside or outside (after I remove the exterior paint) , I may take a different course. Since I spent 8 years as a Mechanical designer and currently consult for an aerospace company where we manufacture flight certified mechanical components, I don’t need lessons from you on mechanical properties, materials or welding.

BTW, from looking at the images, it appears the end of the tank blew out. It would be interesting to do a failure analysis to understand whether rust, a failed weld or other failure caused the accident. One thing I certainly need to do is install an automatic drain. We use one at work on our LARGE screw type compressor that I installed and am responsible for the maintenance therof.

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Oct 25, 2021 12:43:07   #
JBRIII
 
When I was much younger I worked in a machine where they essentially retreaded dozer wheels/pullies by welding a new layer. Once a crack had allow water into the wheel. Pressure split open steel wheel like a can opener, lifted entire unit off the ground. Operator was stunned, but not hit by anything and not in direct line of the pressure blast. I thought an acetylene tank had exploded, but once I determined I wasn't on fire, bleeding or dead all was well with me. A quart bottle with a half inch of water place in an oven at say 300 F will get you a new oven, but that's a different story.

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Oct 25, 2021 12:45:45   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Now that's what I call EXCITING!!. 100-psi means that every square inch of the tank had that pressure exerted upon it. A sailing ship moves across the ocean due to the smallest pressure difference on one side of the sail than the other due to the surface size of the sail. A tractor-trailer will tip over while driving down the highway due to the same Laws of Physics. If this happened to me, the first thing that I would do is to go to Walmart and buy new underwear!!!

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Oct 25, 2021 12:59:46   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
Now that's what I call EXCITING!!. 100-psi means that every square inch of the tank had that pressure exerted upon it. A sailing ship moves across the ocean due to the smallest pressure difference on one side of the sail than the other due to the surface size of the sail. A tractor-trailer will tip over while driving down the highway due to the same Laws of Physics. If this happened to me, the first thing that I would do is to go to Walmart and buy new underwear!!!


Pressure varies, depending on the application. I have scuba tanks that hold 3,000 psi, and they were strapped to my back!

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Oct 25, 2021 13:30:24   #
Smudgey Loc: Ohio, Calif, Now Arizona
 
Your time most certainly was not up yet, glad you weren't hurt. Good Luck.

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Oct 25, 2021 15:11:03   #
Sylvias Loc: North Yorkshire England
 
Oh my Frank so pleased you came to no harm.

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Oct 25, 2021 15:15:49   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
markngolf wrote:
Happy to hear you were not hurt, Frank!!
Good luck on the repairs/rebuilds!
Mark


Thank you very much Mark

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Oct 25, 2021 15:47:58   #
Rich2236 Loc: E. Hampstead, New Hampshire
 
I'm glad you were not in the shed. A very close call!

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