Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk)
Canon Class Action Suit
Page <prev 2 of 4 next> last>>
Oct 20, 2021 08:01:26   #
ecobin Loc: Paoli, PA
 
Same issue many years ago.

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 08:41:22   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
jerryc41 wrote:
There is a proposed class action lawsuit against Canon because of its printers. At least one model of the Pixma series all-in-one will not scan or fax if there is no ink in the printer. Ink is not necessary to scan or fax, but you must still buy and install the cartridges. Another model (or two) will not print in black unless there is a color cartridge installed and ready to go. If you run out of color ink, you can't print black, either.

Yes, I know that in some cases, some colored ink is used when printing black, but that isn't necessary. On my printers, I can select "Black Only."

It's a shame the way businesses are heading. We pay the money, but we don't own the item. We can't repair it, we can't use third party batteries or ink, and in some cases, we can't sell the item. Most cell phones do not let you replace the battery or use a MicroSD card. If you want lots of memory, you have to pay the company inflated prices for it. Remember the song "Sixteen Tons"? The coal company owned everything and set the prices for everything in "the company store." It looks like we are headed in that direction.
There is a proposed class action lawsuit against C... (show quote)


Perhaps Canon assumed that if you scanned an image chances are you would want a printed image. Same with faxing. If you send a fax you would want to receive a response. For a low priced unit they feel they have to do the thinking for the user.

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 08:44:00   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
aphelps wrote:
Perhaps Canon assumed that if you scanned an image chances are you would want a printed image. Same with faxing. If you send a fax you would want to receive a response. For a low priced unit they feel they have to do the thinking for the user.


I've scanned hundreds of pages with my V600, and never had a need to print most of them. I prefer saving a file to saving paper.

Reply
 
 
Oct 20, 2021 08:48:10   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I love my Epson Tank. I've printed over 3,000 pages, and the tanks are half full. The four replacement bottles cost about $65.


My experience too Jerry!!!

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 11:08:03   #
JBRIII
 
At work, decade ago now, we would buy supplies with any residual money at end of year. Found out large poster printers refused to use "out of date" cartridges. Luckily you could change date on printer to get around it.

I know Europe is doing some regs. need a bunch for computer and entertainment related things. Other industries have it, all trains run on same tracks, phones work on same systems, etc.

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 11:34:30   #
happy sailor Loc: Ontario, Canada
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I would expect a scanner to scan without needing ink. Requiring ink was a conscious decision on the part of Canon. Why? $$$


and if you bought a scanner it would but you aren't buying a scanner you are buying printer that has added features.

sorry but I disagree with your take on this, I have a scanner made by Canon and it scans but that is all it does, I have printers that have scanning functions, I always have ink in them so I have no idea if they scan without ink, their main function is to print that is why you buy them, if I only wanted to scan I wouldn't buy a printer 3 in 1.

on top of that the 3 in ones copy as well which is to print so that would need ink, 2 out of three aint bad

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 11:53:17   #
HOHIMER
 
happy sailor wrote:
The printer at the heart of this "lawsuit" is a less than $100 at Walmart where the guy purchased it and who would have thought that printers need ink to operate. Yes scan and fax don't use ink but it is bundled package. What these stupid lawsuits will cause is makers to make separate devices for each function and sell you three instead of one. The ink for this printer is $15 for the black and $20 for the colour cartridge.

And somehow this is worthy of a $5 million dollar lawsuit plus all the associated costs to defend and try it!

what a waste of court time
The printer at the heart of this "lawsuit&quo... (show quote)


I have a Canon 'All-in-one' printer/scanner I bought and use for scanning and printing black and white only...No color. Worked fine for several years without color ink...only black. Now it tells me it will not print unless I install the color inks. Looks like they changed the rules, with a software update, after I have owned the printer/scanner for some time. Do I own the printer or not? What gives them the right to modify something I own without my permission?
Next I will not be able to drive my F-150 Ford truck because I am not using Ford windshield wiper blades! Ridiculous!

Reply
 
 
Oct 20, 2021 14:11:56   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
HOHIMER wrote:
Next I will not be able to drive my F-150 Ford truck because I am not using Ford windshield wiper blades! Ridiculous!


Ridiculous, but coming to a Ford dealer near you. I had to have something changed in the front of my Expedition years ago - done by an independent shop. He apologized for the cost of the Ford grease. He said that he understood that he had to use the grease made by Ford. I didn't argue with him because I know companies do things like that. Fortunately, I can use whatever brand of oil, antifreeze, and brake fluid I want - for now.

My Honda Fit needed a mass air flow sensor, and I bought one at Autozone for $30. I didn't work. A mechanic told me that the car's computer can tell if any non-Honda parts are used in any part of the emissions system. I had to buy the identical Honda part for almost $300.

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 14:21:18   #
lbrande
 
happy sailor wrote:
The printer at the heart of this "lawsuit" is a less than $100 at Walmart where the guy purchased it and who would have thought that printers need ink to operate. Yes scan and fax don't use ink but it is bundled package. What these stupid lawsuits will cause is makers to make separate devices for each function and sell you three instead of one. The ink for this printer is $15 for the black and $20 for the colour cartridge.

And somehow this is worthy of a $5 million dollar lawsuit plus all the associated costs to defend and try it!

what a waste of court time
The printer at the heart of this "lawsuit&quo... (show quote)


I was one of the Def's in a class action lawsuit against BP for my solar panels. It seems that the panels could short and catch fire. There was one in Ger where the warehouse burned down. The had to replace 50 panels and provide a new inverter. We found out that over 50% of the panels were not operating.

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 14:28:30   #
wdburt Loc: Tualatin Oregon
 
jerryc41 wrote:
There is a proposed class action lawsuit against Canon because of its printers. At least one model of the Pixma series all-in-one will not scan or fax if there is no ink in the printer. Ink is not necessary to scan or fax, but you must still buy and install the cartridges. Another model (or two) will not print in black unless there is a color cartridge installed and ready to go. If you run out of color ink, you can't print black, either.

Yes, I know that in some cases, some colored ink is used when printing black, but that isn't necessary. On my printers, I can select "Black Only."

It's a shame the way businesses are heading. We pay the money, but we don't own the item. We can't repair it, we can't use third party batteries or ink, and in some cases, we can't sell the item. Most cell phones do not let you replace the battery or use a MicroSD card. If you want lots of memory, you have to pay the company inflated prices for it. Remember the song "Sixteen Tons"? The coal company owned everything and set the prices for everything in "the company store." It looks like we are headed in that direction.
There is a proposed class action lawsuit against C... (show quote)


Don't know about the class action on Canon, but that's been a regular "feature" on HP printers since I retired, about 10 years ago. And with the chips HP puts in the cartridges, they can't be refilled, because the chip has to be "reset" and HP is the only one who can do that.

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 15:13:12   #
HOHIMER
 
jerry said: 'My Honda Fit needed a mass air flow sensor, and I bought one at Autozone for $30. I didn't work. A mechanic told me that the car's computer can tell if any non-Honda parts are used in any part of the emissions system. I had to buy the identical Honda part for almost $300.'

And part of that $300 is required to provide the technology that tells the computer this is a ‘good’ part.
We are paying extra so the part can ‘spy’ on us!

Reply
 
 
Oct 20, 2021 16:26:41   #
radiomantom Loc: Plymouth Indiana
 
jerryc41 wrote:
There is a proposed class action lawsuit against Canon because of its printers. At least one model of the Pixma series all-in-one will not scan or fax if there is no ink in the printer. Ink is not necessary to scan or fax, but you must still buy and install the cartridges. Another model (or two) will not print in black unless there is a color cartridge installed and ready to go. If you run out of color ink, you can't print black, either.

Yes, I know that in some cases, some colored ink is used when printing black, but that isn't necessary. On my printers, I can select "Black Only."

It's a shame the way businesses are heading. We pay the money, but we don't own the item. We can't repair it, we can't use third party batteries or ink, and in some cases, we can't sell the item. Most cell phones do not let you replace the battery or use a MicroSD card. If you want lots of memory, you have to pay the company inflated prices for it. Remember the song "Sixteen Tons"? The coal company owned everything and set the prices for everything in "the company store." It looks like we are headed in that direction.
There is a proposed class action lawsuit against C... (show quote)


Ran into that a few days ago. Iwas printing a type page in Black on my Pro 100 and it was out of yellow ink and would not print until I replaced it.

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 17:20:23   #
JBRIII
 
HOHIMER wrote:
I have a Canon 'All-in-one' printer/scanner I bought and use for scanning and printing black and white only...No color. Worked fine for several years without color ink...only black. Now it tells me it will not print unless I install the color inks. Looks like they changed the rules, with a software update, after I have owned the printer/scanner for some time. Do I own the printer or not? What gives them the right to modify something I own without my permission?
Next I will not be able to drive my F-150 Ford truck because I am not using Ford windshield wiper blades! Ridiculous!
I have a Canon 'All-in-one' printer/scanner I boug... (show quote)


I think you would a great wittness at the trial.

In defense, sometimes things are done because while obivous to most, others cause trouble for companies, i.e., my scanner has always worked fine, but now tried to print a color photo for the first time and find it is defective, i.e., won't print print, and is out of warranety. But such needs should be plainly stated and not changed on you without a permission request during updates.

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 17:30:46   #
JBRIII
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Ridiculous, but coming to a Ford dealer near you. I had to have something changed in the front of my Expedition years ago - done by an independent shop. He apologized for the cost of the Ford grease. He said that he understood that he had to use the grease made by Ford. I didn't argue with him because I know companies do things like that. Fortunately, I can use whatever brand of oil, antifreeze, and brake fluid I want - for now.

My Honda Fit needed a mass air flow sensor, and I bought one at Autozone for $30. I didn't work. A mechanic told me that the car's computer can tell if any non-Honda parts are used in any part of the emissions system. I had to buy the identical Honda part for almost $300.
Ridiculous, but coming to a Ford dealer near you. ... (show quote)


My father was a great mechanic with anything. He once repaired my mom's Maytag washer. Would not spin afterwards. Turns out Maytag used the grease or oil density as part and part of the centrifugal force needed to cause the correct spinning. He was quite impressed. By the way, that washer outlasted any other they ever had, four boys for whom the no rule ever included don't get dirty. At about 14, several friends were grounded for rollar skating in the rain, laying in the street to create pools, etc., my mom watched.

Reply
Oct 20, 2021 17:51:40   #
agillot
 
the cost to manufacture the $ 50 cartridge is less then $ 2.00 in asia .

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 4 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk)
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.