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Oct 7, 2021 11:10:29   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
dpullum wrote:
"Politicians are Idiots." No, they are not idiots, that is excusable. Politicians pander to many supporters and bribery. They fail to have 5-year plans and in unison work toward goals. Our Democrats vs Republicans system is childlike and the Republicans, especially now, block progress to make the Democrats look bad and there is no regard for the American people. Republicans are infected with Trumpites disease and are not the who I voted for along the way.

McConnell died a few years ago and is still in the Senate animated by Disney. His script is simple, " we will vote in unison and are against everything." Sad but true. Then there is the Republican who claims to be a Democrat... #9 Coal Baron Manchin who as the song goes, "every day gets richer while You load 16 tons of #9 coal, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt." The truth of the W Virginia economy that he represents.
The song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Joo90ZWrUkU

With projects in industry one sets a goal, then lists the steps to the goal, a timetable, to achieve the mileposts along the way and allocate funds and resources. Sad, this is not the way in our government.
"Politicians are Idiots." No, they are n... (show quote)


why don't you quote some of your idol AOC idiotic statements!!!

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Oct 7, 2021 11:18:36   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
National Park wrote:
I trust them with welfare and livelihoods of my children and grandchildren rather than those who don't believe in climate change or that it is not being caused by fossil fuel emissions.


You buy the theory that the tiny amount of fossil fuel emissions are more important than the influence of the sun on our climate?



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Oct 7, 2021 11:33:52   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
CWGordon wrote:
Guys: Most countries have had to do new Governments many times. The Constitution type documents that most countries have used are always too strictly written and the rigidity causes major problems w/in just a few short years. Follow history instead of dogma and you will see the need for some flexibility or interpretation. Much of this is done by the Supreme Court. Why have one, if the founding fathers did not intend to give ability to change as times warranted. This worked relatively well for a long time. However, one mistake was assuming “good will and faith” on the part of Presidents. Politics being the current basis for appointments rather than ability and legal acumen has brought about a horrible one-sided political court rather than a neutral apolitical body. Look at the decisions we see. How many Justices do we now have that screwed Gore to the benefit of Bush? Gorsuch, Roberts, Cavanaugh, Barrett. Yep, that’s 4. What else have they done to justify their ascent to the highest Court in the Land? Nada. When, will we pick folks who are brilliant jurists, rather than just political hacks? And you worry about how they interpret the Constitution? Great. Let’s vote for Presidents that don’t promise to nominate only those who are approved by one little think-tank. Let’s not vote for President those that come right out and say they will appoint only those who have already announced one specific position and will vote based on religious convictions and political dogma. Let’s vote for a President that will appoint based on legal acumen instead.
Guys: Most countries have had to do new Governmen... (show quote)



Excellent post !!!!

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Oct 7, 2021 11:34:41   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Racmanaz and Blurryeyed... 50/50 yes, but the Republicans vote as a block, in unison. If it were so with the Democrats then with the VP, then they would have power. The filibuster is another tool that McConnell uses or threatens to use. Unfortunately, Cole mine ower Senator Manchin and Senator Kyrsten Sinema are against the program for vague reasons. Manchin's daughter is heavy into drugs... management of them and the profits... so her father, the Senator, is against negotiation on drug prices.

Support of the people 09/27/21 : "A Fox News poll conducted earlier this month included in the memo found that 56 percent of registered voters in the survey favor the $3.5 trillion package, while 39 percent opposed and 5 percent were unsure.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/574061-white-house-memo-says-public-support-of-biden-agenda-overwhelming

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Oct 7, 2021 11:40:01   #
btbg
 
Laramie wrote:
Not quite the founding fathers, rather some of them. And as to the Living Constitution, have you ever heard people say the Constitution was carved from stone, not to be changed. Ever. Both sides have their faults, Most of America is in the middle, that's why elections are so close. In Arizona, nearly one third of registered voters are registered Independents. Neither party meets their needs. That is a problem.


It is the same founders who actually wrote the Constitution that also wrote the federalist papers, so it is pretty clear what they meant.

And, no it was not carved in stone. They wrote a mechanism into the Constitution for amendments and wrote the first 10 amendments for us. It is designed to be changed by the amendment process, not by judges reinterpreting what the document means.

I'm not arguing with you about either political party, but as far as the Constitution goes, they are crystal clear what they intended.

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Oct 7, 2021 11:59:25   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dpullum wrote:
Racmanaz and Blurryeyed... 50/50 yes, but the Republicans vote as a block, in unison. If it were so with the Democrats then with the VP, then they would have power. The filibuster is another tool that McConnell uses or threatens to use. Unfortunately, Cole mine ower Senator Manchin and Senator Kyrsten Sinema are against the program for vague reasons. Manchin's daughter is heavy into drugs... management of them and the profits... so her father, the Senator, is against negotiation on drug prices.

Support of the people 09/27/21 : "A Fox News poll conducted earlier this month included in the memo found that 56 percent of registered voters in the survey favor the $3.5 trillion package, while 39 percent opposed and 5 percent were unsure.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/574061-white-house-memo-says-public-support-of-biden-agenda-overwhelming
Racmanaz and Blurryeyed... 50/50 yes, but the Repu... (show quote)


Jeez, as if the democrats have not used the filibuster against every republican president for the last 150 years..... Senators Manchin and Sinema seem to be the only two democrats that have a lick of sense and I thank God every day for their continued resolve.

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Oct 7, 2021 12:20:38   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
DennyT wrote:
Excellent post !!!!


You know nothing about the court and its formation nor the arguments surrounding the formation of the court..... I bet you go so far as to support the current push to pack the court... Denny you are a poor example to one who has a sworn oath to our country's constitution. If the democrats are really concerned about political influence on the court they would be working on a constitutional amendment that would place checks and balances on the court as that was an oversight in our constitution, but no, the demonics really support the politicalization of the court except they want to to be fully in their favor so that they can once and for all destroy the constitution as we know it, hence, we see their continued calls for court packing that only further politicizes the court but this time it will be in their favor, I am sure that you comrade are fully on board.

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Oct 7, 2021 12:58:03   #
CWGordon
 
WNYShooter: …and if my Aunt had a moustache, she’d be my Uncle…

Blurrythinker: Who cares about Brutus? Obviously, not you. But, he had a point, huh?

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Oct 7, 2021 14:02:16   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
CWGordon wrote:
WNYShooter: …and if my Aunt had a moustache, she’d be my Uncle…

Blurrythinker: Who cares about Brutus? Obviously, not you. But, he had a point, huh?


LOL.... You could choose to lose with grace, but nah, somehow you thought this would be better.... Squawk on my delusional friend.

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Oct 7, 2021 14:38:05   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
steve03 wrote:
The founding fathers had many "interpretations" to the Constitution. That is why they also wrote the Anti-Federalist papers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Federalist_Papers


Name one author of one anti-federalist paper... We will wait. Don't give us a "most likely".

Note that they were published before and designed to prevent the ratification of the constitution... something they failed to do. So citing them as an example of what the framers, who did not use pen names to write the federalist papers and who wrote the constitution is specious at best.

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Oct 7, 2021 14:45:07   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
You know nothing about the court and its formation nor the arguments surrounding the formation of the court..... I bet you go so far as to support the current push to pack the court... Denny you are a poor example to one who has a sworn oath to our country's constitution. If the democrats are really concerned about political influence on the court they would be working on a constitutional amendment that would place checks and balances on the court as that was an oversight in our constitution, but no, the demonics really support the politicalization of the court except they want to to be fully in their favor so that they can once and for all destroy the constitution as we know it, hence, we see their continued calls for court packing that only further politicizes the court but this time it will be in their favor, I am sure that you comrade are fully on board.
You know nothing about the court and its formation... (show quote)


Why do you have to resort to kindergarden mentality slander when someone sees things different than you? You act like a child..no make that a baby whiny about “ someone took my candy”

Here one thing I see about the justices. No matter who nominated them or for what Reasons the justices all regard the law with respect.. UNLIKE YOU. The court is just fine the way it is . The only people mucking it up are the politicians . Mostly the senate...

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Oct 7, 2021 15:04:35   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
Fotoartist wrote:
You buy the theory that the tiny amount of fossil fuel emissions are more important than the influence of the sun on our climate?


Also, our orbit and poles wobble... We are in an interglacial period of the current ice age... the last ice age isn't over- we are in it. The ice sheets will expand again, climate experts are not sure why.

One hypothesis, gone over in my class on anthropology back in the 80's was that when oceans warm, ocean current travel farther north rather than not mix with arctic waters, this brings colder water down against europe and our west coast, ice sheets build, and once they get big enough, their thermal mass and white reflective nature of snowfields year round begin to set up their own weather patterns. Glaciers build each year... till a critical mass is reached. .

We just got out of a little ice age- though more accurately a cooling period from the 1300's to late 1800's, its been warming up ever since. google: "Little Ice Age".

We do have a pollution problem that electric cars don't answer, they just move it. Carbon footprint of an electric car in total is more than a gas car due to manufacturing and current raw materials needed in current technology. Electricity has to come from somewhere. The grid could not currently support all electric cars.

So if the issue is pollution, then i'm all for less pollution. But the only climate deniers are the deniers that climate does not change.

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Oct 7, 2021 15:41:03   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
As a constitutional conservative I believe in the constitution as written. It is NOT a flexible document/ The founders included a mechanism for changing the document, that has been used over v2 dozen times. Amendment.However they left out the mechanism to determine if a law does not adhere to the tenets of the constitution. There needed tp be an ammendment to address this omission. However the supreme TOOK it upon themselves that role in ONE case. Marbury V Madison. One might argue that the power of the court to deckare a law acceptable or not is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That document and the country that it formed invented a new form of society, Freedom. It had never happened befpre. And that country has brought more success to more of it's citizens than has any other country, berfore of since it's founding. The more we deviate from the intent of the constitution as written the more we risk losing the freedom it gauranteed. The 2 bills the house is considering deviate substantially from the intent of the constitution. If the 2400 page "infrastructure" bill passes as written it will, in many ways, hasten the countries demise. YES it is that dangerous. Be very afraid. We will ,if passed, be further along the path to a socialist dictatorship. Just exactly what the early progressives (at the start of the 20th century) intended and planned for. Be very careful. what you wish for.

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Oct 7, 2021 20:04:11   #
Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
 
dpullum wrote:


Actually, the petrochemical business is on its way out, fuel oil replaced coal in my home... change has been the way and progress will be made. Wind, solar, and safe Thorium/Uranium-based small nuke reactors will be the wave of the future. Nobel Laureate Bob Dylan said, "Don't stand in the doorway, the times are a changin' "
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=dyllan+times+are+a+changin+lyrics

Thorium Reactors... quick education
https://atomicinsights.com/lftr-in-five-minutes-is-thorium-better-than-a-silver-bullet-energy-solution/
br br Actually, the petrochemical business is on... (show quote)


Nearly half of all oil production ends up in the manufacture of the following products. How do we handle that problem?

Here are some of the ways petroleum is used in our everyday lives. All plastic is made from petroleum and plastic is used almost everywhere: in cars, houses, toys, computers and clothing. Asphalt used in road construction is a petroleum product as is the synthetic rubber in the tires. Paraffin wax comes from petroleum, as do fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, detergents, phonograph records, photographic film, furniture, packaging materials, surfboards, paints, and artificial fibers used in clothing, upholstery, and carpet backing. Solvents Diesel Motor Oil Bearing Grease Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats Upholstery Sweaters Boats Insecticides Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes Cassettes Dishwasher Tool Boxes Shoe Polish Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape CD Player Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Footballs Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician's Tape Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs Combs CD's Paint Brushes Detergents Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste Gasoline Ink Dishwashing liquids Paint brushes Telephones Toys Unbreakable dishes Insecticides Antiseptics Dolls Car sound insulation Fishing lures Deodorant Tires Motorcycle helmets Linoleum Sweaters Tents Refrigerator linings Paint rollers Floor wax Shoes Electrician's tape Plastic wood Model cars Glue Roller-skate wheels Trash bags Soap dishes Skis Permanent press clothes Hand lotion Clothesline Dyes Soft contact lenses Shampoo Panty hose Cameras Food preservatives Fishing rods Oil filters Combs Transparent tape Anesthetics Upholstery Dice Disposable diapers TV cabinets Cassettes Mops Sports car bodies Salad bowls House paint Purses Electric blankets Awnings Ammonia Dresses Car battery cases Safety glass Hair curlers Pajamas Synthetic rubber VCR tapes Eyeglasses Pillows Vitamin capsules Movie film Ice chests Candles Rubbing alcohol Loudspeakers Ice buckets Boats Ice cube trays Credit cards Fertilizers Crayons Insect repellent Water pipes Toilet seats Caulking Roofing shingles Fishing boots Life jackets Balloons Shower curtains Garden hose Golf balls Curtains Plywood adhesive Umbrellas Detergents Milk jugs Beach umbrellas Rubber cement Sun glasses Putty Faucet washers Cold cream Bandages Tool racks Antihistamines Hair coloring Nail polish Slacks Drinking cups Guitar strings False teeth Yarn Petroleum jelly Toothpaste Golf bags Roofing Tennis rackets Toothbrushes Perfume Luggage Wire insulation Folding doors Shoe polish Fan belts Ballpoint pens Shower doors Cortisone Carpeting Artificial turf Heart valves LP records Lipstick Artificial limbs Hearing aids Vaporizers Aspirin Shaving cream Wading pools Parachutes Americans consume petroleum products at a rate of three-and-a-half gallons of oil and more than 250 cubic feet of natural gas per day each!

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Oct 7, 2021 20:09:45   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Wuligal wrote:
Nearly half of all oil production ends up in the manufacture of the following products. How do we handle that problem?

Here are some of the ways petroleum is used in our everyday lives. All plastic is made from petroleum and plastic is used almost everywhere: in cars, houses, toys, computers and clothing. Asphalt used in road construction is a petroleum product as is the synthetic rubber in the tires. Paraffin wax comes from petroleum, as do fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, detergents, phonograph records, photographic film, furniture, packaging materials, surfboards, paints, and artificial fibers used in clothing, upholstery, and carpet backing. Solvents Diesel Motor Oil Bearing Grease Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats Upholstery Sweaters Boats Insecticides Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes Cassettes Dishwasher Tool Boxes Shoe Polish Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape CD Player Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Footballs Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician's Tape Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs Combs CD's Paint Brushes Detergents Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste Gasoline Ink Dishwashing liquids Paint brushes Telephones Toys Unbreakable dishes Insecticides Antiseptics Dolls Car sound insulation Fishing lures Deodorant Tires Motorcycle helmets Linoleum Sweaters Tents Refrigerator linings Paint rollers Floor wax Shoes Electrician's tape Plastic wood Model cars Glue Roller-skate wheels Trash bags Soap dishes Skis Permanent press clothes Hand lotion Clothesline Dyes Soft contact lenses Shampoo Panty hose Cameras Food preservatives Fishing rods Oil filters Combs Transparent tape Anesthetics Upholstery Dice Disposable diapers TV cabinets Cassettes Mops Sports car bodies Salad bowls House paint Purses Electric blankets Awnings Ammonia Dresses Car battery cases Safety glass Hair curlers Pajamas Synthetic rubber VCR tapes Eyeglasses Pillows Vitamin capsules Movie film Ice chests Candles Rubbing alcohol Loudspeakers Ice buckets Boats Ice cube trays Credit cards Fertilizers Crayons Insect repellent Water pipes Toilet seats Caulking Roofing shingles Fishing boots Life jackets Balloons Shower curtains Garden hose Golf balls Curtains Plywood adhesive Umbrellas Detergents Milk jugs Beach umbrellas Rubber cement Sun glasses Putty Faucet washers Cold cream Bandages Tool racks Antihistamines Hair coloring Nail polish Slacks Drinking cups Guitar strings False teeth Yarn Petroleum jelly Toothpaste Golf bags Roofing Tennis rackets Toothbrushes Perfume Luggage Wire insulation Folding doors Shoe polish Fan belts Ballpoint pens Shower doors Cortisone Carpeting Artificial turf Heart valves LP records Lipstick Artificial limbs Hearing aids Vaporizers Aspirin Shaving cream Wading pools Parachutes Americans consume petroleum products at a rate of three-and-a-half gallons of oil and more than 250 cubic feet of natural gas per day each!
Nearly half of all oil production ends up in the m... (show quote)


You must have read my mind this morning, I couldn't think of a thing or item that was manufactured without oil in some form or degree. Getting rid of the use of petroleum and you have nothing, lower the oil production will cause all of those product costs and prices to sky rocket and guess what happens then? Lefties don't think about these consequences. But, we can't depend on oil production forever, we will eventually have to use some other technology (renewable energy) to replace oil.

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