Cruise ship with all passengers and crew required to be vaccinated have positive tests.
SteveS
Loc: The US is my home.
At least six passengers on the first Crystal Symphony cruise out of New York City since March of 2020 have tested positive for the virus. All guests were required to show proof of vaccine to board the cruise.
The Covid-positive were transferred to quarantine hotels on Bermuda. The passengers and ship were then subjected to quarantine and retesting on the ship.
SteveS wrote:
At least six passengers on the first Crystal Symphony cruise out of New York City since March of 2020 have tested positive for the virus. All guests were required to show proof of vaccine to board the cruise.
The Covid-positive were transferred to quarantine hotels on Bermuda. The passengers and ship were then subjected to quarantine and retesting on the ship.
False positive test results can occur (as two of the moderators of The View found out).
Breakthrough cases can occur.
Vaccination is protective but not a panacea.
No test, no treatment, is ever 100%.
Why masking and social distancing should not be dismissed.
Perhaps a cruise, where close contact with folks from outside one's "bubble" may occur, is not necessarily a good idea at this time.
People are not all the same and your mileage may vary.
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The situation in Crystal Cruise's own words:
https://www.crystalcruises.com/advisory-alerts/statement-crystal-symphony
SteveS
Loc: The US is my home.
David Martin wrote:
False positive test results can occur (as two of the moderators of The View found out).
Breakthrough cases can occur.
Vaccination is protective but not a panacea.
No test, no treatment, is ever 100%.
Why masking and social distancing should not be dismissed.
Perhaps a cruise, where close contact with folks from outside one's "bubble" may occur, is not necessarily a good idea at this time.
People are not all the same and your mileage may vary.
Add your own additional disclaimer here: _______________________________________.
The situation in Crystal Cruise's own words:
https://www.crystalcruises.com/advisory-alerts/statement-crystal-symphonyFalse positive test results can occur (as two of t... (
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Those false positive tests on The View were very convenient don't ya think? Just so happened they were on a day when our VPOTUS was to be interviewed. Everyone knows how well she does with those. The fewer people asking questions the better.
Breakthrough cases, why don't we give them a name that fits, like "These damn vaccines don't work"?
SteveS wrote:
Those false positive tests on The View were very convenient don't ya think? Just so happened they were on a day when our VPOTUS was to be interviewed. Everyone knows how well she does with those. The fewer people asking questions the better.
Breakthrough cases, why don't we give them a name that fits, like "These damn vaccines don't work"?
I thought air born and death from above fitted perfectly.
Kraken wrote:
I thought air born and death from above fitted perfectly.
lol!
A tatt of Fauchi using a mask as a para sail?
SteveS wrote:
Those false positive tests on The View were very convenient don't ya think? Just so happened they were on a day when our VPOTUS was to be interviewed. Everyone knows how well she does with those. The fewer people asking questions the better.
Breakthrough cases, why don't we give them a name that fits, like "These damn vaccines don't work"?
I'm double vaxed and I'm in no hurry to book a sea cruise or to turn in my mask or surrender my banjo.
SteveS
Loc: The US is my home.
Kraken wrote:
I thought air born and death from above fitted perfectly.
Good for you. I'm glad it "fitted".
SteveS wrote:
Breakthrough cases, why don't we give them a name that fits, like "These damn vaccines don't work"?
Because that would be inaccurate.
SteveS
Loc: The US is my home.
David Martin wrote:
Because that would be inaccurate.
Isn't a Breakthrough Case someone who gets the virus even though they have been vaccinated not to get it? Sounds accurate to me.
SteveS wrote:
Isn't a Breakthrough Case someone who gets the virus even though they have been vaccinated not to get it? Sounds accurate to me.
Yes, that is the definition of a breakthrough infection.
However, vaccine success is not limited to disease prevention, but also includes disease mitigation.
"There are very few vaccines that offer as high protection as the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. After 8 months and delta dominance
protection against hospitalization and death is nearly 100 times higher than no vaccine." (emphasis added)
—Francesca Torriani, MD, FIDSA, AAHIVS, Program Director of Infection Prevention and Clinical Epidemiology and Tuberculosis Control UC San Diego Health
Texcaster wrote:
I'm double vaxed and I'm in no hurry to book a sea cruise or to turn in my mask or surrender my banjo.
I was at a David Bromberg show when he said "perfect pitch is when you throw an accordion in the dumpster, and it lands on the banjo".
David Martin wrote:
Yes, that is the definition of a breakthrough infection.
However, vaccine success is not limited to disease prevention, but also includes disease mitigation.
"There are very few vaccines that offer as high protection as the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. After 8 months and delta dominance protection against hospitalization and death is nearly 100 times higher than no vaccine." (emphasis added)
—Francesca Torriani, MD, FIDSA, AAHIVS, Program Director of Infection Prevention and Clinical Epidemiology and Tuberculosis Control UC San Diego Health
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Thanks for keeping it real based on data.
thom w wrote:
I was at a David Bromberg show when he said "perfect pitch is when you throw an accordion in the dumpster, and it lands on the banjo".
...and when the two of them cover a set of bagpipes in the bottom of the can..
Breakthrough virus infections do occur but at a very low percentage, below 1% last I read. I also understand that individuals experiencing a breakthrough virus infection have mild symptoms from it. The vaccine for the Chinese killer virus moderates the effects of the breakthrough infection.
Vaccination immunizes humans from virus infection by marshalling the natural immune response ahead of time. This timing prevents a full-blown infection to occur.
I've yet to see a report counting the number of individuals who have died from a breakthrough infection.
SteveS wrote:
At least six passengers on the first Crystal Symphony cruise out of New York City since March of 2020 have tested positive for the virus. All guests were required to show proof of vaccine to board the cruise.
The Covid-positive were transferred to quarantine hotels on Bermuda. The passengers and ship were then subjected to quarantine and retesting on the ship.
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