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Aug 25, 2021 10:17:21   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
And which country is shipping more vaccines to underprivileged countries than all others combined?

The United States!

Like I said, stopping nonessential travel would go a long way to slowing the spread of the virus!


Are you telling us then that the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens coming into America, many bringing the virus with them, is classed as unnecessary travel? Why is it that not one of you on the Left has even spoken out against the Biden Administration allowing these illegal aliens into America at all especially when our country has many people already sick with the virus. You don't want unnecessary travel but seem to accept thousands of illegal aliens coming into America. You seem to put their wants above the RIGHTS of Americans, above established law in the United States. Why?

Dennis

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Aug 25, 2021 11:47:12   #
btbg
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
And which country is shipping more vaccines to underprivileged countries than all others combined?

The United States!

Like I said, stopping nonessential travel would go a long way to slowing the spread of the virus!


I am not necessarily opposed to stopping some travel. However, I would not agree to do that until we secure our border.

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Aug 25, 2021 11:49:33   #
btbg
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
One of my cousins would be alive today IF he had been wearing a seat belt in the head on crash which killed him. The drivers side of the car was intact, but he was ejected out the drivers side door upon impact. Yes, I viewed the condition of his car after it was towed, I know what it looked like. All of the damage was on the passenger side of the car, but the passenger compartment was nearly intact.

It's because of his accident that I wear my seat belt!


I am very sorry about your cousin. I recognize that more people are saved by seat belts than are killed because they are wearing them. So, statistically they are beneficial. Still, as with vaccines there are always exceptions. I just happened to be one of the exceptions. I understand totally why you now chose to wear seat belts. I would like to think you also understand why I would rather not.

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Aug 28, 2021 08:08:46   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
btbg wrote:
You really should look at what you write. Of course we should be concerned about the variants.

Those variants are not originating in the U.S. they are originating overseas. The U.S. has 58 percent of those eligible fully vaccinated and somewhere around 75 percent with at least one shot. Many of the remaining individuals have already had the virus so according to the experts have natural immunity.

Meanwhile the countries that the mutations are coming from have less than 25 percent vaccination. Last month border patrol apprehended 212,000 plus illegals, which means there was at least twice that many. It is unlikely that any of those individuals are vaccinated. So, if you want to end the pandemic in the U.S. then you have to close the border.

So, how are 25 percent of Americans causing the problem. You could shut the mutations down tomorrow by effectively closing the border. Short of that the only way to end the pandemic is to vaccinate the rest of the world. You have correctly pointed out that "Because both Domestic and International travel has continued, the Variants have continued to mutate and spread." So, if you just stopped and thought for a while, you would recognize that a lack of vaccinated individuals in the U.S. is only a small piece of the problem. Vaccinate the places that the mutations are coming from and the problem goes away.
You really should look at what you write. Of cours... (show quote)



Capitalism plays a major roll in why we don't shut down the borders. You just won't admit it.

American companies moved overseas... for more profit. This means MORE international business travel. This means MORE imports. This means more contact with outsiders.

Shut this down and what do you get?

People out of work, people on unemployment, people complaining about government overreach. Does that sound remotely familiar?


What YOU really want is to close the Southern border so, say it!

WHY isn't Texas doing more to curb immigration?

You would think that "sane" people, seeing an influx of "infected" people coming into THEIR state would do what is necessary to prevent spreading the virus... like vaccination and wearing masks.

Telling people in The Attic what should be done is getting you "where"?

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Aug 28, 2021 10:05:25   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Capitalism plays a major roll in why we don't shut down the borders. You just won't admit it.

American companies moved overseas... for more profit. This means MORE international business travel. This means MORE imports. This means more contact with outsiders.

Shut this down and what do you get?

People out of work, people on unemployment, people complaining about government overreach. Does that sound remotely familiar?


What YOU really want is to close the Southern border so, say it!

WHY isn't Texas doing more to curb immigration?

You would think that "sane" people, seeing an influx of "infected" people coming into THEIR state would do what is necessary to prevent spreading the virus... like vaccination and wearing masks.

Telling people in The Attic what should be done is getting you "where"?
Capitalism plays a major roll in why we don't shut... (show quote)


Telling people in The Attic what should be done sure ain't getting you anywhere is it?

Dennis

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Aug 28, 2021 10:33:43   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Capitalism plays a major roll in why we don't shut down the borders. You just won't admit it.

American companies moved overseas... for more profit. This means MORE international business travel. This means MORE imports. This means more contact with outsiders.

Shut this down and what do you get?

People out of work, people on unemployment, people complaining about government overreach. Does that sound remotely familiar?

What YOU really want is to close the Southern border so, say it!

WHY isn't Texas doing more to curb immigration?

You would think that "sane" people, seeing an influx of "infected" people coming into THEIR state would do what is necessary to prevent spreading the virus... like vaccination and wearing masks.

Telling people in The Attic what should be done is getting you "where"?
Capitalism plays a major roll in why we don't shut... (show quote)

Unfortunately the same holds true with nonessential interstate travel.

As a country we will NOT be able to slow the spread of the Coronavirus without curbing both nonessential international and domestic travel.

Every state in the country is back in the red with increasingly higher transmission rates. Mask mandates have gone back into place BECAUSE people refuse to stay home, or limit their necessary travel to within a short radius of home.

Personally I don't give a damn if people have cabin fever, stay home and stop spreading the virus.

For the SECOND YEAR IN A ROW, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally was a Super Spreader event!

I would really like to see an end to this Pandemic!

My parents and grandparents lived through the 1918 Flu Pandemic, my mother was an infant during that Pandemic. They sacrificed for the good of the country.

In this century, there are very few who're willing to make a sacrifice towards ending this Pandemic.

Those who aren't, are nothing more than selfish children.

The anti-vavers and anti-maskers are among those selfish children.

Governor DeSantis just had FL State Supreme Court throw out his anti-masking mandate as Unconstitutional.

The State of Texas can't do much against Federal immigration laws and policies, but yes, they could do a whole lot more about getting everyone in their state vaccinated, as well as those entering their state from any and all directions.

Most businesses found that they could operate just fine using Skype, Teams, or FaceTime last year, in most cases international and domestic travel is unnecessary for business purposes. Many businesses still have severe limits on travel for their employees.

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Aug 28, 2021 10:48:09   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Unfortunately the same holds true with nonessential interstate travel.

As a country we will NOT be able to slow the spread of the Coronavirus without curbing both nonessential international and domestic travel.

Every state in the country is back in the red with increasingly higher transmission rates. Mask mandates have gone back into place BECAUSE people refuse to stay home, or limit their necessary travel to within a short radius of home.

Personally I don't give a damn if people have cabin fever, stay home and stop spreading the virus.

For the SECOND YEAR IN A ROW, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally was a Super Spreader event!

I would really like to see an end to this Pandemic!

My parents and grandparents lived through the 1918 Flu Pandemic, my mother was an infant during that Pandemic. They sacrificed for the good of the country.

In this century, there are very few who're willing to make a sacrifice towards ending this Pandemic.

Those who aren't, are nothing more than selfish children.

The anti-vavers and anti-maskers are among those selfish children.

Governor DeSantis just had FL State Supreme Court throw out his anti-masking mandate as Unconstitutional.

The State of Texas can't do much against Federal immigration laws and policies, but yes, they could do a whole lot more about getting everyone in their state vaccinated, as well as those entering their state from any and all directions.

Most businesses found that they could operate just fine using Skype, Teams, or FaceTime last year, in most cases international and domestic travel is unnecessary for business purposes. Many businesses still have severe limits on travel for their employees.
Unfortunately the same holds true with nonessentia... (show quote)


Congratulations on one of the most ridiculous posts I have seen in quite a while now. I am amazed you had such nonsense in you. But there it is.

You blame Texas for not having everybody vaccinated while seemingly giving a pass to 200,000 illegal aliens allowed/invited by President Biden to come into America. Surely you must be aware that their entry is the Super Spreader D'Jour. Yet they get a pass from all Liberals. WOW!!!

Hypocrite much? For you it is acceptable that these illegal aliens can cross the border and then migrate all across America to spread the virus but American citizens cannot go on vacation, should not shop when they can have food delivered and so on. Again, the word, WOW, comes to mind. Your Hypocrisy is only overshadowed by your Left Wing desire to Control.

Dennis

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Aug 28, 2021 11:18:01   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Congratulations on one of the most ridiculous posts I have seen in quite a while now. I am amazed you had such nonsense in you. But there it is.

You blame Texas for not having everybody vaccinated while seemingly giving a pass to 200,000 illegal aliens allowed/invited by President Biden to come into America. Surely you must be aware that their entry is the Super Spreader D'Jour. Yet they get a pass from all Liberals. WOW!!!

Hypocrite much? For you it is acceptable that these illegal aliens can cross the border and then migrate all across America to spread the virus but American citizens cannot go on vacation, should not shop when they can have food delivered and so on. Again, the word, WOW, comes to mind. Your Hypocrisy is only overshadowed by your Left Wing desire to Control.

Dennis
Congratulations on one of the most ridiculous post... (show quote)


Nope, you still hold the title to the most ridiculous post ever. You are so far ahead you will never have to worry about loosing that title.

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Aug 28, 2021 11:18:37   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Congratulations on one of the most ridiculous posts I have seen in quite a while now. I am amazed you had such nonsense in you. But there it is.

You blame Texas for not having everybody vaccinated while seemingly giving a pass to 200,000 illegal aliens allowed/invited by President Biden to come into America. Surely you must be aware that their entry is the Super Spreader D'Jour. Yet they get a pass from all Liberals. WOW!!!

Hypocrite much? For you it is acceptable that these illegal aliens can cross the border and then migrate all across America to spread the virus but American citizens cannot go on vacation, should not shop when they can have food delivered and so on. Again, the word, WOW, comes to mind. Your Hypocrisy is only overshadowed by your Left Wing desire to Control.

Dennis
Congratulations on one of the most ridiculous post... (show quote)



We have problems with travelers, air travelers in particular. In most countries, China included require a 14 day monitored quarantine for anyone arriving internationally, all travelers including returning citizens. When the wife returned from Taiwan in June she walked thru immigration without any screening or questioning as to her travels or exposure to CV.

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Aug 28, 2021 11:23:55   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
letmedance wrote:
We have problems with travelers, air travelers in particular. In most countries, China included require a 14 day monitored quarantine for anyone arriving internationally, all travelers including returning citizens. When the wife returned from Taiwan in June she walked thru immigration without any screening or questioning as to her travels or exposure to CV.


Well that's great, looks like we will have covid and all its variants for a very long time to come.

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Aug 28, 2021 11:24:55   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
letmedance wrote:
We have problems with travelers, air travelers in particular. In most countries, China included require a 14 day monitored quarantine for anyone arriving internationally, all travelers including returning citizens. When the wife returned from Taiwan in June she walked thru immigration without any screening or questioning as to her travels or exposure to CV.


I do not disagree in the slightest. My point is that we now have, since January, about 200,000 illegal aliens in America. Where was ANY procedure from the Left to not allow these people into America? Here is a clue: There was absolutely NONE at all. Fact is Biden could not wait to get as many into America ASAP, with NO thought as to what disease(s) they may be bringing with them.

Even now those people and their excess baggage is completely forgotten about. Nobody on the Left and especially here in The Attic has addressed the problem or even answered my questions about those people who are infecting the rest of us. They are simply not talked about, forgotten, so as the rest of us with some common sense won't keep bringing them up.

Dennis

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Aug 28, 2021 11:28:58   #
btbg
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Capitalism plays a major roll in why we don't shut down the borders. You just won't admit it.

American companies moved overseas... for more profit. This means MORE international business travel. This means MORE imports. This means more contact with outsiders.

Shut this down and what do you get?

People out of work, people on unemployment, people complaining about government overreach. Does that sound remotely familiar?


What YOU really want is to close the Southern border so, say it!

WHY isn't Texas doing more to curb immigration?

You would think that "sane" people, seeing an influx of "infected" people coming into THEIR state would do what is necessary to prevent spreading the virus... like vaccination and wearing masks.

Telling people in The Attic what should be done is getting you "where"?
Capitalism plays a major roll in why we don't shut... (show quote)

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Aug 28, 2021 11:38:04   #
btbg
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Capitalism plays a major roll in why we don't shut down the borders. You just won't admit it.

American companies moved overseas... for more profit. This means MORE international business travel. This means MORE imports. This means more contact with outsiders.

Shut this down and what do you get?

People out of work, people on unemployment, people complaining about government overreach. Does that sound remotely familiar?


What YOU really want is to close the Southern border so, say it!

WHY isn't Texas doing more to curb immigration?

You would think that "sane" people, seeing an influx of "infected" people coming into THEIR state would do what is necessary to prevent spreading the virus... like vaccination and wearing masks.

Telling people in The Attic what should be done is getting you "where"?
Capitalism plays a major roll in why we don't shut... (show quote)


I am aware that capitalism plays a major role. I was referring more to shutting down the border to illegal immigration than to business travel.

However, if we could force businesses in the U.S. to shut down then we surely could have curtailed business travel as well.

As to why Texas isn't doing more to curb illegal immigration, they can not. The courts have ruled that is a federal issue.

As far as telling people in the attic what should be getting done. People in the attic are telling those who are anti mask or anti vaccine what needs to be done. My point is that they should not be criticizing U.S. citizens for the decisions they are making while not recognizing that even if we had 100 percent compliance from citizens the problem will not go away while people are coming and or going to and from the country.

Most of the world has less than 25 percent vaccination rate, so the relatively small group in the U.S. is not the problem. Until those on the left quit attacking those who are taking a personal stand and address the bigger issues the Pandemic is not going to go away no matter how draconian we get toward our own citizens.

And, you would think that sane people in government seeing an influx of individuals into Texas would follow the court's orders and require people to wait in Mexico and tighten up border security. And, masks do not work, so why sane people would willingly wear masks is beyond me. To say that those legally in the country are the problem because they don't take steps to protect themselves from those illegally entering the country is a bizarre way to look at the problem. It would be far simpler to go back to Trump's immigration policy which largely curtailed the rush to illegally enter our country.

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Aug 28, 2021 16:23:44   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
btbg wrote:
I am aware that capitalism plays a major role. I was referring more to shutting down the border to illegal immigration than to business travel.

However, if we could force businesses in the U.S. to shut down then we surely could have curtailed business travel as well.

As to why Texas isn't doing more to curb illegal immigration, they can not. The courts have ruled that is a federal issue.

As far as telling people in the attic what should be getting done. People in the attic are telling those who are anti mask or anti vaccine what needs to be done. My point is that they should not be criticizing U.S. citizens for the decisions they are making while not recognizing that even if we had 100 percent compliance from citizens the problem will not go away while people are coming and or going to and from the country.

Most of the world has less than 25 percent vaccination rate, so the relatively small group in the U.S. is not the problem. Until those on the left quit attacking those who are taking a personal stand and address the bigger issues the Pandemic is not going to go away no matter how draconian we get toward our own citizens.

And, you would think that sane people in government seeing an influx of individuals into Texas would follow the court's orders and require people to wait in Mexico and tighten up border security. And, masks do not work, so why sane people would willingly wear masks is beyond me. To say that those legally in the country are the problem because they don't take steps to protect themselves from those illegally entering the country is a bizarre way to look at the problem. It would be far simpler to go back to Trump's immigration policy which largely curtailed the rush to illegally enter our country.
I am aware that capitalism plays a major role. I w... (show quote)



Where are your statistics that point to illegal immigration from Mexico?

From what I'm reading, there isn't any significant truth to that claim. Immigrants coming into this country through border check areas who test positive are quarantined.


As far as Texas NOT being able to do anything about immigration, that also is NOT TRUE!

Awhile back, Texas stated they were going to build their own wall along the border... how is that going, today?
Abbot can call in the national guard and state troopers to fill security gaps along the border. That in itself would go a LONG way towards curbing illegal immigration because Texas is the leader in that field! I don't think he's doing that. Instead, he's declaring an end to mask wearing and isolation... even though Texas is one of the leaders for covid cases today!
I guess the republican mentality is that when you are in a burning house, turn the water OFF!



I don't know why it seems like the WH is unwilling to curb immigration at this time... maybe they are looking at it from a humanitarian view - like I said, I don't know. I do think that children under the age of 21 should not be allowed into this country unless accompanied by at least one adult relative - unless they can prove a valid reason for asylum.


Some of you keep harping on the false claim that masks don't work... that's BS and you know it... or should.
It's a political issue. Those on the left say to wear a mask, get vaccinated so, those on the right say I don't have to!

Well, how come those on the right never have a temper tantrum over "No shoes, No shirt, No service"?

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Aug 28, 2021 18:12:54   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Congratulations on one of the most ridiculous posts I have seen in quite a while now. I am amazed you had such nonsense in you. But there it is.

You blame Texas for not having everybody vaccinated while seemingly giving a pass to 200,000 illegal aliens allowed/invited by President Biden to come into America. Surely you must be aware that their entry is the Super Spreader D'Jour. Yet they get a pass from all Liberals. WOW!!!

Hypocrite much? For you it is acceptable that these illegal aliens can cross the border and then migrate all across America to spread the virus but American citizens cannot go on vacation, should not shop when they can have food delivered and so on. Again, the word, WOW, comes to mind. Your Hypocrisy is only overshadowed by your Left Wing desire to Control.

Dennis
Congratulations on one of the most ridiculous post... (show quote)

It's quite obvious that you have a reading compression problem.

Where do I say that anyone gets a "free pass"?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but GOP supported policies and events are worse Super Spreader Events than what's happening on the Southern Border.

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