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Aug 22, 2021 10:45:34   #
no12mo
 
Abo wrote:
"This is your drive computer speaking;
I am in total control of the vehicle,
and nothing can go wrong grrrkk,
go wrong grrrkk,
go wrong grrrkk,
go wrong grrrkk,
go wrong grrrkk..."


I take this as an attempt at humor.

The software in the Tesla is designed such that human intervention is as easy as grabbing the steering wheel. It is intended for the benefit for long distance driving. After 500 - miles or so, my hands get cramped. This feature would be very beneficial for me on long distance driving.

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Aug 22, 2021 10:47:44   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Autonomous vehicles are coming whether we like it or not. There was a recent story on 60 Minutes about driverless semi trucks. They're already out there on the roads being tested with no drivers, and it's only a matter of time until truck driving is no longer a job. Nothing is foolproof, but the claim is that there will be substantially fewer accidents than human drivers, and they can go 24 hours a day.

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Aug 22, 2021 10:53:57   #
flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT
 
Frank T wrote:
At the end of the day, the human driver is held responsible for any accidents, damages or injuries. Don't trust a robot with your future.

Thursday Elon Musk unveiled the Tesla Robot that uses the same AI as their autonomous vehicles...uh-oh!

Perhaps you can put one of those in the driver's seat.

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Aug 22, 2021 10:56:57   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
no12mo wrote:
I take this as an attempt at humor.

The software in the Tesla is designed such that human intervention is as easy as grabbing the steering wheel. It is intended for the benefit for long distance driving. After 500 - miles or so, my hands get cramped. This feature would be very beneficial for me on long distance driving.

Yes it is. It worked.

Some people think they no longer have to watch what is going on.

I take breaks and get a cup of coffee; lunch; gas; stretch; ...
No way would I want to sit in a car/be driving it for 8-10 hours at one clip.

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Aug 22, 2021 10:57:59   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Autonomous vehicles are coming whether we like it or not. There was a recent story on 60 Minutes about driverless semi trucks. They're already out there on the roads being tested with no drivers, and it's only a matter of time until truck driving is no longer a job. Nothing is foolproof, but the claim is that there will be substantially fewer accidents than human drivers, and they can go 24 hours a day.



They just have to get all the bugs out.
Especially the one behind the wheel.

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Aug 22, 2021 11:08:38   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
...I'll take 'em over humans any day. Drunks, Drugs, not being able to see at night, racers and 16 year-olds. Odds are very, very good in comparison.

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Aug 22, 2021 11:11:32   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
You realize that you wandered into the General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk) section. As with self-driving "anythings" the operator needs to be cognizant of the surroundings.
--Bob

williejoha wrote:
What does this have to do with photography?
WJH

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Aug 22, 2021 11:12:15   #
scallihan Loc: Tigard, OR
 
I know a couple of people with self-driving Teslas who drive long distances. They brag about being able to put the seat back and rest, or read. You know of course texting is going on. Humans with their reckless entitlement mentality are not ready for the Jetson's future.

And no, I would not like a self-driving (autonomous) big rig behind me, either.
A quick Google search brought up:
"The current situation is that self-driving trucks are legally regulated at a state level and only about a third of states have actually passed laws that specifically relate to autonomous vehicles.Feb 5, 2020.
https://azbigmedia.com › business"

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Aug 22, 2021 11:16:50   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Bud, you bring up some very serious concerns. To respond to one of them, it is possible to write a program that takes every bit of minutiae into consideration. However, do we have sufficient computer power to run those programs fast enough.

On another front, every commercial airplane has Auto Pilots. However, those are programmed to warn and shut off if situations occur that are beyond the limits of the system. Thus, they "know" when to let the human fly the airplane.
--Bob

Bison Bud wrote:
Crashes of Telsa vehicles using their "Auto-Pilot' software have been in the news again lately and I am wondering how others feel about sharing our roads and highways with software driven vehicles. While I realize that the manufacturer says that the software is meant to reduce accidents and the percentage of crashes is still rather low, they are obviously not without errors. All in all, I find this "Auto-Pilot" trend to be a rather disturbing and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the use of auto-pilot on our roads and highways at all. Sure human drivers make mistakes as well, but these computer driven vehicles can only do what they are programmed to do and I think it is impossible to write software that covers every possible scenario they may encounter. Anyway, is this really the wave of the future or is it possibly a misguided trend? Is the development of this kind of "Artificial Intelligence" really important enough to test it's use on our public roads and highways?

In any case, what are the laws that govern the use of this type of software and shouldn't we take a hard look at how we intend to proceed or not to proceed with this type of development before it goes much further? At least in my State, the operator of any motor vehicle must have a valid Operator's license, which requires at least some testing, etc. Do these computers have a license to operate in this manner or is just having a licensed operator on board enough to qualify, even if the licensed operator is paying no attention whatsoever? Frankly, there are enough technology distractions for drivers already and having auto-pilot available and by it's very nature and intent only encourages drivers to pay even less attention to the operation of their vehicle. I for one don't see how this is a good thing for all involved and I look forward to your responses on the subject. Good luck and good shooting to all.
Crashes of Telsa vehicles using their "Auto-P... (show quote)

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Aug 22, 2021 11:20:42   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
You bring up a very appropriate point in your mentioning "entitlement mentality".
--Bob
scallihan wrote:
I know a couple of people with self-driving Teslas who drive long distances. They brag about being able to put the seat back and rest, or read. You know of course texting is going on. Humans with their reckless entitlement mentality are not ready for the Jetson's future.

And no, I would not like a self-driving (autonomous) big rig behind me, either.
A quick Google search brought up:
"The current situation is that self-driving trucks are legally regulated at a state level and only about a third of states have actually passed laws that specifically relate to autonomous vehicles.Feb 5, 2020.
https://azbigmedia.com › business"
I know a couple of people with self-driving Teslas... (show quote)

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Aug 22, 2021 11:25:24   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
scallihan wrote:
I know a couple of people with self-driving Teslas who drive long distances. They brag about being able to put the seat back and rest, or read. You know of course texting is going on. Humans with their reckless entitlement mentality are not ready for the Jetson's future.

And no, I would not like a self-driving (autonomous) big rig behind me, either.
A quick Google search brought up:
"The current situation is that self-driving trucks are legally regulated at a state level and only about a third of states have actually passed laws that specifically relate to autonomous vehicles.Feb 5, 2020.
https://azbigmedia.com › business"
I know a couple of people with self-driving Teslas... (show quote)



And "5th Element" days are here yet.

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Aug 22, 2021 11:25:52   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Crashes of Telsa vehicles using their "Auto-Pilot' software have been in the news again lately and I am wondering how others feel about sharing our roads and highways with software driven vehicles.


The problem is that no matter what kind of car is involved, it's the idiot behind the wheel that's the problem. The Tesla can do some things on its own, but you can't tell it to drive you to grandma's house and then take a nap.

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Aug 22, 2021 11:28:46   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rmalarz wrote:
Bud, you bring up some very serious concerns. To respond to one of them, it is possible to write a program that takes every bit of minutiae into consideration. However, do we have sufficient computer power to run those programs fast enough.

On another front, every commercial airplane has Auto Pilots. However, those are programmed to warn and shut off if situations occur that are beyond the limits of the system. Thus, they "know" when to let the human fly the airplane.
--Bob


Unfortunately, when pilots aren't paying attention to what's going on, the plane crashes. I saw a crash investigation yesterday that involved a faulty altimeter. The plane thought it was about to land, so it cut power and flared the nose. The pilots were busy with their checklists and didn't notice the flashing warnings in front of them.

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Aug 22, 2021 11:30:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
scallihan wrote:
I know a couple of people with self-driving Teslas who drive long distances. They brag about being able to put the seat back and rest, or read.


We were on an Interstate driving to FL a few years ago, and all the cars in the right lane were pulling over to pass a slower car. When it was our turn to pass, I looked over and saw a woman with a booked opened up on the steering wheel.

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Aug 22, 2021 11:39:54   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The problem is that no matter what kind of car is involved, it's the idiot behind the wheel that's the problem. The Tesla can do some things on its own, but you can't tell it to drive you to grandma's house and then take a nap.


There are already a lot of autonomous cars and trucks out there already with no backup driver aboard. And they can drive you to your grandmother's house with GPS while you take a nap.

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