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Aug 25, 2021 00:36:28   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
fantom wrote:
You appear to be leading a very sheltered and careful life and have an aversion to risk and learning new skills if they are potentially dangerous, so I respectfully suggest that you avoid self-driving autos until the technology is completely perfected. I think that will be one less thing that you have to worry about for awhile.


I wonder what gave you that thought of me living a sheltered life? It was actually the opposite. There were plenty of times in my youth when our home was the most dangerous place to be.

If you would read back this thread from the beginning and look for my posts, you will see that i have described designing a completed system for the operation of self driving cars (the concept actually very similar to a metro train). Once completed, i was hoping to patent the idea.

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Aug 25, 2021 10:18:34   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
As always, early adaptors beware.
fantom wrote:
You appear to be leading a very sheltered and careful life and have an aversion to risk and learning new skills if they are potentially dangerous, so I respectfully suggest that you avoid self-driving autos until the technology is completely perfected. I think that will be one less thing that you have to worry about for awhile.

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Aug 25, 2021 10:39:58   #
bob44044 Loc: Ohio
 
I would never trust my life to a computer driving a car.

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Aug 25, 2021 11:41:29   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Eventually, robotics involving safe, self-driving cars may come about when both artificial intelligence and machine learning reach the point where together they can identify and account for all significant variables having to do with the driving experience.

Already, software like Google Maps offers a smarter driving experience. This software will only improve.
bob44044 wrote:
I would never trust my life to a computer driving a car.

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Aug 25, 2021 12:21:58   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
harveyalt wrote:
I would suggest that you stay away from all new cars that have ADAS features. These features are not unique to Tesla, and with each passing day, more cars are on the road with these features. Point to remember: these are not self driving cars. The features are driver assistance features, which, when abused become safety issues.
Full Self Driving vehicles are not on the road, and no matter what Elon Musk says, they are not right around the corner. The FSD versions of the Tesla have more automated features, but they still require driver attention, maybe more attention than the Autopilot features. FSD has more capability of being abused...
I would suggest that you stay away from all new ca... (show quote)


I beg to differ. We had eaten at a restaurant with a large parking lot. It was pouring down rain and we didn't want to run to the car. The driver pulled out his phone and after a couple of taps we saw the car's lights come on, it backed out of the parking space and turned into the aisle and proceeded to the bottom of the lot and made a turn towards us, drove towards us and stopped right in front of us. There was no one in the car. I'd call that a self driving car.

That has happened on more than one occasion. You can also so program an address and it will drive to it and you do not touch any controls in the meantime. Naturally, a driver who is brighter than a grape will keep his hands on the wheel and pay attention to what the car is doing. This vehicle was using Beta software and feedback was being sent to Tesla to help test and perfect it.

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Aug 25, 2021 16:17:52   #
aammatj Loc: Zebulon, NC / Roscoe, Ill
 
You make a good point.

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Aug 25, 2021 23:51:32   #
harveyalt
 
fantom wrote:
I beg to differ. We had eaten at a restaurant with a large parking lot. It was pouring down rain and we didn't want to run to the car. The driver pulled out his phone and after a couple of taps we saw the car's lights come on, it backed out of the parking space and turned into the aisle and proceeded to the bottom of the lot and made a turn towards us, drove towards us and stopped right in front of us. There was no one in the car. I'd call that a self driving car.

That has happened on more than one occasion. You can also so program an address and it will drive to it and you do not touch any controls in the meantime. Naturally, a driver who is brighter than a grape will keep his hands on the wheel and pay attention to what the car is doing. This vehicle was using Beta software and feedback was being sent to Tesla to help test and perfect it.
I beg to differ. We had eaten at a restaurant with... (show quote)


What you are describing is "Summon" mode. This is not exactly the "Kitt" car from Nightrider. This mode is part of the FSD option in the Tesla. From what I have seen in the various forums, is a suggestion that this only be used with eyes on the car. The car moves very slowly because parking lots are notorious for having people walking between the cars and suddenly appearing in the roadway, and other cars that come out of spaces without being able to see what is coming along behind them and to the side.
The idea of programing the car to go to a particular address might work in principle, but since FSD operation is not recommended for street use, it would be risky to try this. Recognition of traffic controls like stop signs and traffic lights is currently in beta. The car also depends upon visual clues, like lane markings to keep it in the right place. The presence of these markings is not guaranteed on a randomly selected street. From what I can tell, the best and safest operation of FSD is on the freeway, from on ramp to off ramp.
As far as the subject of any mode being in beta, the entire car is in beta. The cars share data with Tesla, and there are frequent software updates. My car came directly from the factory, but within the first week, I had five or six updates. Every few weeks there is an update of some kind. It is rumored that the entire display interface will be revised "real soon, now." Not looking forward to that one. It is not as if one could reject the update.

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Aug 26, 2021 00:59:54   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
If these things are programmed to always give way and avoid a person.
Jaywalking will be crazy !

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Aug 26, 2021 12:43:33   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
DennyT wrote:
If these things are programmed to always give way and avoid a person.
Jaywalking will be crazy !


Agreed, you need a few run-overs every now and then to keep these jaywalkers in check.

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Aug 26, 2021 12:45:00   #
Abo
 
rmalarz wrote:
Bud, you bring up some very serious concerns. To respond to one of them, it is possible to write a program that takes every bit of minutiae into consideration. However, do we have sufficient computer power to run those programs fast enough.

On another front, every commercial airplane has Auto Pilots. However, those are programmed to warn and shut off if situations occur that are beyond the limits of the system. Thus, they "know" when to let the human fly the airplane.
--Bob


There have been hundreds of fatalities caused by autopilots and other
electronic aviation "aids".

Also there have been hundreds of fatalities caused by pilots forgetting (how) to
"fly" because of their dependence on the autopilot and other electronic "aids".

So I really hate it when I wake up and find my co-pilot asleep. ;-)

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Aug 27, 2021 14:01:59   #
Flyerace Loc: Mt Pleasant, WI
 
I'm from Wisconsin and we recently had a Tesla driver going 90+ MPH while he was completely asleep in the car. The police officer had to wake him up, which took some effort, to make him pull over. He was issued a ticket. We require people to be aware and ready to manually take control of the car.

Last week, there was a short story on autonomous semi trucks being tested. The number of cameras, sensors and controls is quite amazing. Maybe they will be better than the cars. Not Tesla developed. Sure would alleviate the dire need for CDL drivers. Just need to recharge. No limits on how many hours the vehicle can drive. It will happen, maybe not today or tomorrow, but in the next 10 years they could be a reality.

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Aug 27, 2021 14:48:29   #
harveyalt
 
Flyerace wrote:
I'm from Wisconsin and we recently had a Tesla driver going 90+ MPH while he was completely asleep in the car. The police officer had to wake him up, which took some effort, to make him pull over. He was issued a ticket. We require people to be aware and ready to manually take control of the car.

Last week, there was a short story on autonomous semi trucks being tested. The number of cameras, sensors and controls is quite amazing. Maybe they will be better than the cars. Not Tesla developed. Sure would alleviate the dire need for CDL drivers. Just need to recharge. No limits on how many hours the vehicle can drive. It will happen, maybe not today or tomorrow, but in the next 10 years they could be a reality.
I'm from Wisconsin and we recently had a Tesla dri... (show quote)


There are just some people too stupid to live. It is likely that he was in FSD mode. Tesla limits the speed in FSD to 90MPH. This is just another case of just because you can, doesn't mean you should...

As far as the trucks go, from what I have read, the current expectation is that they will run only on the freeways. When they reach their destination exit, the will go to a nearby parking area to await a human driver. Once off the freeway, streets are not guaranteed to be marked with the types of markings that automated systems need to keep themselves out of trouble. The route to the parking area would need to be properly marked, but I don't see that as a problem because it is part of the infrastructure needed for those trucks, and will be done.

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Aug 27, 2021 18:06:08   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
bob44044 wrote:
I would never trust my life to a computer driving a car.


...every time you fly commercially you do. If you do that sort of thing...

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Aug 27, 2021 19:31:36   #
davidv Loc: salt lake city utah
 
I want too know what % of auto pilot cars have accidents compared to self driven?

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