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Aug 18, 2021 12:21:08   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
goldstar46 wrote:
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papamuski

Can you be a little more clear... You stated:
.... "I use a generic battery grip with two Canon batteries.."

Question 1 ~~ With two batteries, just how many 'shots' did you get (avg) per day with 2 batteries?
Question 2 ~~ Did you only take two batteries?

Also -- You also said:
.... "the camera did not recognize my battery grip and shut me down multiple times to protect itself from damage due to non-Canon electrons... "

Question 3 ~~ Do you think that had something to do with it?

I use the R5 with Single Batteries at a time and get 600-850 images per shoot. YES, Canon batters are going to run 'less' in the "R" series because the cameras are mostely "Electronic" in nature over any given DSLR... BUT, I will tell you that when I first got my R5, I used my older 5D Mk IV batteries for 4 months before I ever took at the new LP-E6NH

Also, I also always carry more than one set of batteries.. Right now, I am on a road trip, spent the day yesterday at Duke University Chapel and Gardens, and carried 4 batteries with me for my morning shoot... Alway take 'extra' with me just for insurance...

In closing, you said the following:
.... "I am very frustrated with Canon and ready to trade in my gear for that of a company that respects the needs of a serious photographer...."

So, you spend $4K to $5K on your Camera and Lens BUT, you buy a 3rd party, Chinese Battery Grip??? Hummm..
Do you think your problem just might be with the "Non-Brand" battery grip and Not the Canon brand stuff?

Just my personal observation...


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Aug 18, 2021 12:51:29   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Longshadow wrote:
A play on words with the "non-Canon" grip not letting them through to the camera.
The batteries were Canon.


Yes, a play on words so to speak, although also total BS as there is no such thing as Canon electrons. Also, isn't semi-manual actually referred to as semi-auto?! I guess a real photographer such as the OP would never use any of the cameras auto modes. Personally I feel the OP is way, way more to blame for their problems than the camera manufacturer, but what do I know, I've only been doing digital photography for about 20 years.

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Aug 18, 2021 13:04:41   #
srg
 
billnikon wrote:
1. It is always easier to blame someone else for our own mistakes. Don't blame Canon, if your are a serious photographer, blame yourself for getting a generic battery grip and taking it on a once in a life time trip without thoroughly testing it before taking it.
2. Canon has a documented problem with short lived batteries in the R system. You should have known this, I am sure Canon will address this.
3. I never take any new camera on a once in a life time trip.
I just got back from Iceland, I took my old trusty D850 with two lenses. Below are some of my images. It was a wonderful trip that we hope to take again. I am truly sorry for your experience, but do not blame Canon.
1. It is always easier to blame someone else for o... (show quote)


Great shots

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Aug 18, 2021 13:07:48   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Pumble wrote:
Sorry to hear but it sounds like the Vello, the only 3rd party grip for the EOS-R. Mine does the same thing and I thought it was defective and now know that its a design issue with the grip and not me. I notice when I leave the batteries in the grip, rather than the two batteries finding a float level and staying there, it appears something is actively but slowly drawing current and it discharges both of them. There are times when the camera does not recognize the grip too. I took it off and the camera operates normally. Not sure what Vello has produced but it simply has some problems with it. I'm thinking of returning it.

I was wondering why (as I noted), it is the only non-Canon grip on the market. I suspect there will be more than one offering for the R5, R6 and RP bodies given their popularity. I hope Vello fixes the issues.

The grip sold by Canon for the R5 and R are $350 and $250 respectively. I've seen them used on KEH fpr $189, Vello's brand new is $89. They are a piece of plastic with no electronics in them other than the buttons that operate in parallel to those on the camera. For those that bash someone for using 3rd party accessories, I know of no one who has their entire bag of gear sold by the OEM whether it be an lens, light, flash, filter or even a remote trigger. My goodness there is a lot of 3rd party gear sold and people love the choices available. Perhaps if the OEMs sold their accessories at a more reasonable price, they'd corner the market and people wouldn't look to others for a more reasonable offering. I'm sure when enough people start yakking to Vello, they'll stick 2 (5 cent) diodes in the grip to prevent the batteries from the constant float down to zero.
Sorry to hear but it sounds like the Vello, the on... (show quote)


Hi, glad to meet you. When I had Nikon equipment my lenses and everything else was Nikon.

Dennis

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Aug 18, 2021 13:33:52   #
Pumble
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Hi, glad to meet you. When I had Nikon equipment my lenses and everything else was Nikon.

Dennis


Glad to meet you too. Maybe you got your camera bag from Nikon, but I never knew Nikon made tripods, reflectors, light modifiers, Lightroom, Corel Paintshop Pro, Photoshop and more. Nikon makes great camera gear and their glass is arguably the best. But it's kinda like buying a computer. You buy the core for the expertise of the manufacturer, maybe an Apple or a Dell because of their reputation for top notch products (like Sony, Canon or Nikon). But I bet for that computer you might be inclined to buy a Logitech mouse or a BenQ monitor. Point is there are 3rd party marketers in every industry for every piece, some come from China some don't. To me as a advanced hobbyist, a grip is a non-essential accessory that isn't a need to have, but a nice to have. Why not sample the market to save some bucks? P.S. Vello is the only 3rd party that has made a grip for the EOS-R camera.

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Aug 18, 2021 13:42:53   #
Pumble
 
Capn_Dave wrote:
I have purchased Vello Grips for my Canon DSLR cameras and have never had a problem. When I got the R5 and R6 I discovered there are no third grips for these cameras and that is a current search. I bit the bullet and bought the grips for the R5 and R6. The OP never mentions which camera he owns. So guessing it is a Vello or other third party grip is simply speculation.


The OP put in the title of the thread it was an EOS-R and in the body said it was a 3rd party grip. I own the same and Vello is the only 3rd party manufacturer for EOS-R grips, it is not speculation. Before buying the Vello grip I researched it for some time not wanting to plop down $250 for the OEM version. I'm sure it takes a lot of $$ for Vello or any manufacturer to tool up for making a mold and product and this has to be balanced with profit from sales. I could only imagine that the accessory manufacturers were waiting to see the number of sales for the original R cameras before ramping up. My guess is given the number of R5, R6, and RP sales, there'll be a number of 3rd party accessories and grips for those.

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Aug 18, 2021 13:59:26   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Pumble wrote:
Glad to meet you too. Maybe you got your camera bag from Nikon, but I never knew Nikon made tripods, reflectors, light modifiers, Lightroom, Corel Paintshop Pro, Photoshop and more. Nikon makes great camera gear and their glass is arguably the best. But it's kinda like buying a computer. You buy the core for the expertise of the manufacturer, maybe an Apple or a Dell because of their reputation for top notch products (like Sony, Canon or Nikon). But I bet for that computer you might be inclined to buy a Logitech mouse or a BenQ monitor. Point is there are 3rd party marketers in every industry for every piece, some come from China some don't. To me as a advanced hobbyist, a grip is a non-essential accessory that isn't a need to have, but a nice to have. Why not sample the market to save some bucks? P.S. Vello is the only 3rd party that has made a grip for the EOS-R camera.
Glad to meet you too. Maybe you got your camera b... (show quote)


I am speaking of CAMERA accessories specifically, those that make or assist the camera function. With what you are asking it seems I would need to list my truck, battery manufacturer and so on. This thread is anonymous a non Nikon battery grip. It had nothing to do with other non camera items such as you mentioned.

Perhaps I misunderstood and you are talking about every single item that might possibly be used to take a picture.

Dennis

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Aug 18, 2021 14:57:30   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
billnikon wrote:
1. It is always easier to blame someone else for our own mistakes. Don't blame Canon, if your are a serious photographer, blame yourself for getting a generic battery grip and taking it on a once in a life time trip without thoroughly testing it before taking it.
2. Canon has a documented problem with short lived batteries in the R system. You should have known this, I am sure Canon will address this.
3. I never take any new camera on a once in a life time trip.
I just got back from Iceland, I took my old trusty D850 with two lenses. Below are some of my images. It was a wonderful trip that we hope to take again. I am truly sorry for your experience, but do not blame Canon.
1. It is always easier to blame someone else for o... (show quote)


Superb shots and advice ☀️🏆☀️

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Aug 18, 2021 15:15:49   #
maciej
 
I don't know if you are aware but the battery supplied with the R5 is higher capacity than the one supplied with the R. You just need to do the firmware update on the R to take advantage of the extra capacity.

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Aug 18, 2021 15:29:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Yes, a play on words so to speak, although also total BS as there is no such thing as Canon electrons. Also, isn't semi-manual actually referred to as semi-auto?! I guess a real photographer such as the OP would never use any of the cameras auto modes. Personally I feel the OP is way, way more to blame for their problems than the camera manufacturer, but what do I know, I've only been doing digital photography for about 20 years.

Haha, that's why it's a play on words.....

Semi-manual/semi-auto, I suppose it depends on which side of the fence one is located.

I use the mode which suits the purpose, I don't discount any of them, they each have their places/uses.

Yea, ditto, on the digital, since the mid/late 90's with a Sony Mavica, for which I bought the memory stick adapter "disk".

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Aug 18, 2021 15:33:58   #
Capn_Dave
 
Pumble wrote:
The OP put in the title of the thread it was an EOS-R and in the body said it was a 3rd party grip. I own the same and Vello is the only 3rd party manufacturer for EOS-R grips, it is not speculation. Before buying the Vello grip I researched it for some time not wanting to plop down $250 for the OEM version. I'm sure it takes a lot of $$ for Vello or any manufacturer to tool up for making a mold and product and this has to be balanced with profit from sales. I could only imagine that the accessory manufacturers were waiting to see the number of sales for the original R cameras before ramping up. My guess is given the number of R5, R6, and RP sales, there'll be a number of 3rd party accessories and grips for those.
The OP put in the title of the thread it was an EO... (show quote)


Thank you I missed that

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Aug 18, 2021 15:44:08   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Pumble wrote:
Glad to meet you too. Maybe you got your camera bag from Nikon, but I never knew Nikon made tripods, reflectors, light modifiers, Lightroom, Corel Paintshop Pro, Photoshop and more. Nikon makes great camera gear and their glass is arguably the best. But it's kinda like buying a computer. You buy the core for the expertise of the manufacturer, maybe an Apple or a Dell because of their reputation for top notch products (like Sony, Canon or Nikon). But I bet for that computer you might be inclined to buy a Logitech mouse or a BenQ monitor. Point is there are 3rd party marketers in every industry for every piece, some come from China some don't. To me as a advanced hobbyist, a grip is a non-essential accessory that isn't a need to have, but a nice to have. Why not sample the market to save some bucks? P.S. Vello is the only 3rd party that has made a grip for the EOS-R camera.
Glad to meet you too. Maybe you got your camera b... (show quote)

I don't owe my allegiance to solely Canon accessories either.
18-200; grip; extension tubes; wireless remote; batteries; external flash; all third party.

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Aug 18, 2021 15:51:29   #
gsmith051 Loc: Fairfield Glade, TN
 
papamuski wrote:
Just back from a two-week trip to Iceland which is a photographer's paradise. Was limited to the number of photos I dared take due to low battery capacity. If not careful my batteries died in the mid-afternoon. I use a generic battery grip with two Canon batteries. I shoot on manual or semi-manual raw mode. I ended up missing a lot of shots.

In addition, the camera did not recognize my battery grip and shut me down multiple times to protect itself from damage due to non-Canon electrons infiltrating it.

I am very frustrated with Canon and ready to trade in my gear for that of a company that respects the needs of a serious photographer.
Just back from a two-week trip to Iceland which is... (show quote)


That doesn’t sound quite right. I expect my Canon EOS R to run the battery down during the day with heavy shooting but nothing like that. I always have fully charged spare batteries and never has my shooting been restricted by a battery.

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Aug 18, 2021 17:55:40   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
papamuski wrote:
Just back from a two-week trip to Iceland which is a photographer's paradise. Was limited to the number of photos I dared take due to low battery capacity. If not careful my batteries died in the mid-afternoon. I use a generic battery grip with two Canon batteries. I shoot on manual or semi-manual raw mode. I ended up missing a lot of shots.

In addition, the camera did not recognize my battery grip and shut me down multiple times to protect itself from damage due to non-Canon electrons infiltrating it.

I am very frustrated with Canon and ready to trade in my gear for that of a company that respects the needs of a serious photographer.
Just back from a two-week trip to Iceland which is... (show quote)


Seems prudent to perhaps pack a couple spare batteries.

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Aug 18, 2021 18:20:03   #
goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
DeanS wrote:
Seems prudent to perhaps pack a couple spare batteries.



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