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Aug 9, 2021 11:15:08   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The first rule of Photography is know all the rules and don't talk about them.

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Aug 9, 2021 11:22:31   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
DHenard wrote:
If my pictures had to be perfect, then I would never take a picture.




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Aug 9, 2021 11:34:15   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
You are a Great Photographer.........I love your work. Anyone can criticize anything. Life is not about fair but rather about Control as you have seen. Keep on shooting and move on with this episode behind you. Commercial photography can be a brutal business and I never had to deal with that.....so just enjoy and document your experiences. The photos do the rest.

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Aug 9, 2021 11:42:58   #
Walter Stansbury
 
We can always learn from others, however, the measure of a good photo is like the measure of a good wine. It is should solely be determined by how much it means to you and how much you enjoy it.

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Aug 9, 2021 13:21:04   #
bigtoxy69 Loc: Grosse Tete louisana
 
Well I can understand wanting to learn more and Kudos Too you For that !!! That being said you need too Decide what is important too you !!! And why you are Doing Photography too start with ? Personally I think you're Photographs are Excellent !!! And would be Proud ( as you should be) if I had taken them !!! Also keep in mind mind that a person can be Great at a Jib or Skill or Talent ? And still be Lousy human being and poor excuse for A person !!!! Which from your post sounds like the guy giving the class / lessons !!! My best advice Do what you Love , take whatever positive knowledge you can from this Class and put him behind you , you're Taking /Making Great photographs concentrate in that !!

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Aug 9, 2021 13:22:10   #
WIHorseman
 
Wow. I doubt that there are many of us who would not be perfectly happy to have such a great collection of shots. Nice work and please keep posting more of them for us to enjoy. I particularly love the shot of the red fox. You doing an excellent job. Don't let anyone no matter what their tittle is rain on your parade.

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Aug 9, 2021 13:27:29   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The first rule of Photography is know all the rules and don't talk about them.



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Aug 9, 2021 13:31:17   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
Walter Stansbury wrote:
We can always learn from others, however, the measure of a good photo is like the measure of a good wine. It is should solely be determined by how much it means to you and how much you enjoy it.

Even the "best" wine is judged subjectively. Photography contests are judged on the personal likes and dislikes of individual judges, apart from some basic predetermined rules.

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Aug 9, 2021 13:33:37   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
Off by 2 or 4 degrees? Really? I’d view his comments as food for thought rather than absolutes. I think your photos are delightful.

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Aug 9, 2021 13:39:56   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
RodeoMan wrote:
Several years ago, there was a famous musical collaboration with the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and many of the old time country performers. The recording kept in some of the background talk to show the interaction of the performers. At the beginning of a John Denver selection (I forget the title) as the performers were tuning up, someone asked "Is this practice?" I have never forgotten John Denver's response. "It's all practice" I think this applies to photography as well.



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Aug 9, 2021 14:02:32   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
I must say thank you for reading and understanding what I was asking. So many thought I was upset at the remarks he made about the photos. Not at all, I was just shocked at the incredible preciseness, like the 2 degrees off! And you nailed it, now that I know, how can I feel ok taking a photo that I know is 180 degrees off just because I like it or it is a bear and how often do you get a Grizzly being chased by a coyote! (Which I proudly took this spring in Yellowstone). The question was, is it bad to still enjoy or want to take what I know will be less than excellent.
😁😁😁. Thank you!
I must say thank you for reading and understanding... (show quote)

When I was young I played in a R&R band. Our sax player took lessons until he knew more than the instructor, so his instructor referred him to Eric Kloss, a world renowned Jazz saxophonist. Eric corrected and corrected him until he could no longer teach him more.
I wasn't there for the lessons, but you can bet he was harping on "minor" details, before he finally gave him the Eric Kloss stamp of approval.

A high level instructor should not need to massage your ego, he is there to correct your mistakes. If he seems to be nit picking, it likely means your photo's are good enough he is getting into finer details than "your highlights are blown out because you exposed for the dark foreground." My wild guess is he did not ignore all complements when critiquing a good photo. More likely he would say something like nice one, but this might make it better. Your photo's are good enough to say lose/move the bird, lose the stick, lighten a shadow and so on. With me, he'd be saying stuff "like what were you thinking?" Have you had your eyes checked lately" Are you using a box camera".

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Aug 9, 2021 14:03:05   #
Krcouch
 
I see the shadow on the side of the Fox’s face but do not think it is a distraction. With animals, wildlife one often as to go with they give you.

Don’t beat yourself up or feel like a failure. The bottom line is if you are happy, pleased with your shots that’s all that matters!

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Aug 9, 2021 14:13:09   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Krcouch wrote:
I see the shadow on the side of the Fox’s face but do not think it is a distraction. With animals, wildlife one often as to go with they give you.

Don’t beat yourself up or feel like a failure. The bottom line is if you are happy, pleased with your shots that’s all that matters!

Ergo take editing lessons. You don't have to go with what the animals give you. Shadows for example can be added, lightened, removed. A good photo can almost always be improved with editing. The stick was distracting, poof, it's gone. My ex was in the picture, poof he's gone. Editing skills go hand and hand with camera skills. Her instructor is not just giving ideas on what makes a great picture, the same ideas come into play in editing in case the animals didn't read the book...

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Aug 9, 2021 14:48:33   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
Morning all! So I just got through taking a 5 day class with a very well known photographer who has won many, many awards, photos in the Smithsonian and is a judge for contests like Natures Best Photography. I learned sooo much about what makes a great photo.

Half way through the 5 days I was feeling quite overwhelmed and almost in tears because to get the photo that he would consider a photo seems near impossible. I totally understand photos before and just after sunrise and sunset are the best, but is it awful that I still want to take photos mid day? On several of my trips I have still gotten photos I really like, even though they do not have the special light and there are shadows etc. I scoured my photos and submitted them for the class and so far I do not have one photo that is not a "non-photo" due to shadow or lack of a hook or a background that is not totally creamy, or a host of other bad things.

I will post some of his comments to what I thought was going to be an ok photo.

The last one was reviewed verbally, the shadows! Bridge of the nose by eye, and the light patch of fur below the right eye as you look at the photo and curve shadow back to the nose is a big distraction. He could tell I was off by 2 degrees and that caused the bad shadow. The lighter fur to the left of the nose stops the eye from traveling from the lower left to the eye. You are supposed to have something soft in the lower left that makes your eye travel from lower left to the "hook" eye. In this case it does not work due to light fur interrupts the flow to the eye and then the shadows on the right. Then, the white fur on the lips could have been lightened to make it better if the other issues had not condemned it to be a "non-photo". Oh and the green line going through the background is bad.

Who knew you were not supposed to have sky in a bird photo, or that with something like a coyote all 4 legs must have separation and no crossover and that the farthest away front leg should be going forward. That the background must be very creamy with no light and dark areas. Shadows are the worst! Like crap, I was off by 2 or 4 degrees with the shadow. Must have a hook, no lines and of course good light, no messy sticks. Example an owl in a tree is bad if the leaves are all around it.

Anyway, I feel like a bad person/photographer for still liking some of my photos that are not perfect and still wanting to just have fun taking a photo and if I see a mom and baby moose at noon in a messy field of grass with a shadow, I'm still going to take the photo!

Again, I learned a LOT and the pro is a very nice guy and very talented. I will try and do what he says, but may still take what I know will be a "non-photo" am I bad?

Comments welcome, I have had lots of criticism lately, I can handle it! Well I might cry....
Morning all! So I just got through taking a 5 day... (show quote)



Learn by shooting. Put what others say in a big pile and kick out what doesn't suit you. Only you have to like your photos – no one else.

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Aug 9, 2021 15:00:57   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
I suspect the instructor did not tell you about the 1000 images he took to get to the 'great one' that was shown to the class as the 'image you should strive to create.'


Also, most of us do not have the time in the field to only shoot at the golden hour, so most of happily shoot at times that are not ideal. Most of us are not striving to be on the cover of National Geographic either, and are shooting to record memories of where we traveled or what we saw, etc.

Keep in mind too, that mid-day with harsher shadows, patterns, lines, more contrast are also ideal opportunities for switching to Black and White images. One nice advantage of shooting with cameras that have electronic view finders is the opportunity to see the image as B & W in the view finder.

Forget some of the instructors most picky details and Just enjoy taking Your images. I thought your examples were very good.

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