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Aug 8, 2021 14:03:22   #
russraman Loc: New York City
 
Who's the "distinguished" photographer?

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Aug 8, 2021 14:07:26   #
srt101fan
 
via the lens wrote:
I did not read all 12 pages of comment, only read a couple of pages. If I pay someone to teach me I am open and willing to take in what they are telling me in order to absorb the information and use it to be a better photographer, something I am always striving to be. I agree with his comments on the work you've shown, the work is a good start but does have faults. If you did not want to learn from this person perhaps you should have taken a class with someone else. A lot of people on this site would say any photo posted, and it could be the worst photo in the world, was a wonderful one, but saying that to every image does not help us to grow in our photography. Be open, listen and learn and you will be a better photographer. Or, if you just want to hear that someone likes your work keep on posting on this forum and you'll get that, no matter how bad it is.
I did not read all 12 pages of comment, only read ... (show quote)


Note that the OP has said she liked the teacher and is even considering taking another class with him. But the mindless "hang the teacher" mob is ignoring that...

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Aug 8, 2021 14:08:28   #
Judy795
 
Kudos for posting this here. I like your photos a lot. I probably am about the same level as you.
I spent $$ on photo trips mostly to get access to places I couldn’t find on my own. Anything I learn that I can do or use is just a bonus.
I just had two trips with FamousPhotographer. The first trip to Antarctica I was terribly intimidated by the camera skills of most of the group. But I knew more about editing than most did and they spent a lot of time teaching editing during down time. The most useful things I learned were to look for background first or early on, use high speed burst, and keep the shutter speed appropriately high.
The second trip, to Alaska, I just improved on those things.
I learn best from looking on line and reading comments or reviews on other people’s pictures.

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Aug 8, 2021 14:11:14   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
SnoShuSam wrote:
I've taken those classes as well in DC from Smithsonian and Nat. Geo. pro's. Some were good and some were egotistic. I remember one of these guys I showed a print I had made of a gnarled tree in Great Basin NP and he was very interested in the negative. I got it and he was very impressed. It was Kodak 120 technical pan and he hadn't heard of it yet. I had an extra roll and I gave it to him, (wish I had it back now) and he used it that week in Rock Creek Park and was super impressed with it and congratulated me on finding it. He was one of the good instructors. I have taught and always thought nit was important to pass on knowledge and encouragement rath/er than try to show everyone how good I was.
Keep shooting, from. what I saw of your shots you are certainly on the right path!
I've taken those classes as well in DC from Smiths... (show quote)



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Aug 8, 2021 14:14:44   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Irwin! Thanks for your kind words and TODAY I learned a new word "stridency"! I like to replenish the old vocabulary!

Well, the CAT as forgiven me THIS TIME- for breaking the rules! Next time there will be consequences, says Sir Zack.


Cat's just letting you know how far you can go.... Fine shot

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Aug 8, 2021 14:19:04   #
Allen Berry
 
Just keep up what you are doing. Unless you want to be a Pro, all is good.

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Aug 8, 2021 14:29:53   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
quixdraw wrote:
Take a deep breath, forget nearly everything the "Distinguished Photographer" said. Two things, a big Cheese always has to be that, ego! Second if he can't find all sorts of things wrong, how can he get you to take more and better classes. There is no one standard or size that fits all. Choose things you found useful, toss the rest and move on. You take lots of photos that are very fine, you did before the class, and will continue to do so!


And don't forget it...

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Aug 8, 2021 14:36:25   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
quixdraw wrote:
Take a deep breath, forget nearly everything the "Distinguished Photographer" said. Two things, a big Cheese always has to be that, ego! Second if he can't find all sorts of things wrong, how can he get you to take more and better classes. There is no one standard or size that fits all. Choose things you found useful, toss the rest and move on. You take lots of photos that are very fine, you did before the class, and will continue to do so!



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Aug 8, 2021 14:38:48   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
What is a PRO? A guy that makes ac living with photography. That has nothing to do with great amateurs. The great teachers are the ones that encourage you with helpful ideas and not negative discouraging comments. He may MAY BE a good photographer but sucks as a teacher.
As a pro does he have a side job?

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Aug 8, 2021 14:41:24   #
Grimaldi
 
I have one reaction to what your "expert photographer" told you, BS! Some of his "rules" are dead wrong and others are meant to be broken. Demand a refund.

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Aug 8, 2021 14:41:30   #
PSims46 Loc: Maryland
 
I’m with quixdraw. I was fed up with the pro before you had finished your statement. It’s one thing to teach someone something new but degrading your photos to the point that you start to think you don’t have enough talent is just wrong. I frankly loved the photo of the fox. I see nothing wrong with the shadows. In fact shadows actually helps the 3 dimensional part of a photo. A photo without shadows is too flat unless it’s a portrait of someone. So stay focused on what you like to do, especially shooting photos during the noon day hours. You can get some fantastic photos during the daytime hours. All photos don’t need to have wonderful colors in the sky. Sounds like the pro was on an big ego trip just to show the class he knows it all and the rest of the class was beneath him. Just my opinion.

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Aug 8, 2021 14:52:27   #
cygone Loc: Boston
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
Morning all! So I just got through taking a 5 day class with a very well known photographer who has won many, many awards, photos in the Smithsonian and is a judge for contests like Natures Best Photography. I learned sooo much about what makes a great photo.

Half way through the 5 days I was feeling quite overwhelmed and almost in tears because to get the photo that he would consider a photo seems near impossible. I totally understand photos before and just after sunrise and sunset are the best, but is it awful that I still want to take photos mid day? On several of my trips I have still gotten photos I really like, even though they do not have the special light and there are shadows etc. I scoured my photos and submitted them for the class and so far I do not have one photo that is not a "non-photo" due to shadow or lack of a hook or a background that is not totally creamy, or a host of other bad things.

I will post some of his comments to what I thought was going to be an ok photo.

The last one was reviewed verbally, the shadows! Bridge of the nose by eye, and the light patch of fur below the right eye as you look at the photo and curve shadow back to the nose is a big distraction. He could tell I was off by 2 degrees and that caused the bad shadow. The lighter fur to the left of the nose stops the eye from traveling from the lower left to the eye. You are supposed to have something soft in the lower left that makes your eye travel from lower left to the "hook" eye. In this case it does not work due to light fur interrupts the flow to the eye and then the shadows on the right. Then, the white fur on the lips could have been lightened to make it better if the other issues had not condemned it to be a "non-photo". Oh and the green line going through the background is bad.

Who knew you were not supposed to have sky in a bird photo, or that with something like a coyote all 4 legs must have separation and no crossover and that the farthest away front leg should be going forward. That the background must be very creamy with no light and dark areas. Shadows are the worst! Like crap, I was off by 2 or 4 degrees with the shadow. Must have a hook, no lines and of course good light, no messy sticks. Example an owl in a tree is bad if the leaves are all around it.

Anyway, I feel like a bad person/photographer for still liking some of my photos that are not perfect and still wanting to just have fun taking a photo and if I see a mom and baby moose at noon in a messy field of grass with a shadow, I'm still going to take the photo!

Again, I learned a LOT and the pro is a very nice guy and very talented. I will try and do what he says, but may still take what I know will be a "non-photo" am I bad?

Comments welcome, I have had lots of criticism lately, I can handle it! Well I might cry....
Morning all! So I just got through taking a 5 day... (show quote)


I don't care what he says, your photos are great. I don't know why but I just like them.

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Aug 8, 2021 14:58:43   #
Guzser02
 
Hi, you may be taking the information too personally and not interpreting the criticism of your craft.

I try to operate with these two principles:
1. Work with what you've got.
2. Don't let your view (or that of others) block your vision.
[This sounds like a mouthful but it works for me.]

The instructor may have imparted some key personal knowledge regarding his/her craft, now you need to digest and apply it to YOUR craft.

In the end you will be a better image-maker and your personal development will impede you from regressing.

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Aug 8, 2021 15:07:56   #
Archboo3 Loc: Central Florida
 
The pictures I’m looking at in this post are great. Keep on doing what your doing.

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Aug 8, 2021 15:14:58   #
Zooman 1
 
I would be pleased to have any of these photos in my files. All look fine, forget some one else's ego and keep taking photos as you like.

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