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Aug 8, 2021 08:33:52   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
I think you did the right thing to take the class. I don’t know whether you would ever think about submitting a photo to one of the major wildlife photo competitions like Nature’s best, National geo, or Audubon, but at least now you know what the judges are looking for when they critique an image. Their job is to judge and they are going thru hundreds of images when they do so, trying to find the best in the world. They have to be critical. I’m sure its overwhelming, but by taking the class, listening, and “trying” to apply some of what you learned, you will become a better photographer. Nice images by the way.

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Aug 8, 2021 08:34:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Ednsb wrote:
I agree with the majority of positive comments. A good teacher uplifts, a poor one tears down. Ultimately it only matters that you like your images, I do.

If you intend to ‘compete’ in national contests the judges like your guide will nitpick to death and never agree with each other. Not a world I’m interested in. Recently, I took Lightroom and PhotoShop classes from a professional photographer and commercial retoucher. His tolerance for ‘mistakes’ was very low. I learned a lot but have zero interest in being as ocd as him but it’s his job and livelihood.
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Aug 8, 2021 08:40:48   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I will give you my take on this. Do not be frustrated and do not cry. No need to.
Neither you nor anybody else is going to live sending images to competitions. In my book if you like your images so be it, after all they are your images. Do not expect to remember everything he said, just care about good lighting, exposure and composition.

I like the images you have posted. They are not as perfect as the instructor wanted but they are excellent images.

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Aug 8, 2021 08:50:25   #
poprock48
 
All your shots are great. Forget the over thinking. Enjoy. Just because he’s an award winning photographer doesn’t make him an expert for anything other than his own photos. Put 5 judges in a room and you’ll get 5 different opinions. If you like the shot then the shot is good. Everyone has an opinion, just like a part of our anatomy. It’s a hobby, enjoy shooting subjects to you’re liking and style.

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Aug 8, 2021 08:57:21   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
I'm impressed that the well known distinguished photog can get all the wild animals to pose within "spec" of minute (not time, but degree of angle) degrees of separation/light/angles/shadows/positions and such (even if he pays them)....but I'm even more, much more impressed with your efforts. I can see that kind of persnickety/nit pickin approach working well in a studio...but out in the wild it is extreeeemly difficult, much much harder, especially now for me, as I'm not as quick/agile/stealthy or have the patience of my younger days. My thoughts on your photos - I would hang your photos on my walls anytime. Keep up the great work!

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Aug 8, 2021 08:59:24   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
Morning all! So I just got through taking a 5 day class with a very well known photographer who has won many, many awards, photos in the Smithsonian and is a judge for contests like Natures Best Photography. I learned sooo much about what makes a great photo.

Half way through the 5 days I was feeling quite overwhelmed and almost in tears because to get the photo that he would consider a photo seems near impossible. I totally understand photos before and just after sunrise and sunset are the best, but is it awful that I still want to take photos mid day? On several of my trips I have still gotten photos I really like, even though they do not have the special light and there are shadows etc. I scoured my photos and submitted them for the class and so far I do not have one photo that is not a "non-photo" due to shadow or lack of a hook or a background that is not totally creamy, or a host of other bad things.

I will post some of his comments to what I thought was going to be an ok photo.

The last one was reviewed verbally, the shadows! Bridge of the nose by eye, and the light patch of fur below the right eye as you look at the photo and curve shadow back to the nose is a big distraction. He could tell I was off by 2 degrees and that caused the bad shadow. The lighter fur to the left of the nose stops the eye from traveling from the lower left to the eye. You are supposed to have something soft in the lower left that makes your eye travel from lower left to the "hook" eye. In this case it does not work due to light fur interrupts the flow to the eye and then the shadows on the right. Then, the white fur on the lips could have been lightened to make it better if the other issues had not condemned it to be a "non-photo". Oh and the green line going through the background is bad.

Who knew you were not supposed to have sky in a bird photo, or that with something like a coyote all 4 legs must have separation and no crossover and that the farthest away front leg should be going forward. That the background must be very creamy with no light and dark areas. Shadows are the worst! Like crap, I was off by 2 or 4 degrees with the shadow. Must have a hook, no lines and of course good light, no messy sticks. Example an owl in a tree is bad if the leaves are all around it.

Anyway, I feel like a bad person/photographer for still liking some of my photos that are not perfect and still wanting to just have fun taking a photo and if I see a mom and baby moose at noon in a messy field of grass with a shadow, I'm still going to take the photo!

Again, I learned a LOT and the pro is a very nice guy and very talented. I will try and do what he says, but may still take what I know will be a "non-photo" am I bad?

Comments welcome, I have had lots of criticism lately, I can handle it! Well I might cry....
Morning all! So I just got through taking a 5 day... (show quote)
. You have nice photos. If you want award winning, Smithsonian exhibiting photos, follow what you paid for. The education you got showed you there is another level of photography out there. As for feeling bad, ashamed, wanting to cry, whatever… you’re internalizing those feelings while the instructor had no such intent. There is nothing wrong with taking photos for fun at any time of day. It only matters if you like them. Of course, you will never look at your own photos the same, now that you have seen what could be. It’s called growth. In the immortal words of Packer quarterback Aaron Rodgers, R-E-L-A-X.

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Aug 8, 2021 08:59:59   #
Nikon1201
 
Forget it . If you spent the time doing what he expects you would loose the shot . I hope it wasn’t too expensive . If your having any particular issues go to Utube it will be less frustrating.

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Aug 8, 2021 09:00:54   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
poprock48 wrote:
All your shots are great. Forget the over thinking. Enjoy. Just because he’s an award winning photographer doesn’t make him an expert for anything other than his own photos. Put 5 judges in a room and you’ll get 5 different opinions. If you like the shot then the shot is good. Everyone has an opinion, just like a part of our anatomy. It’s a hobby, enjoy shooting subjects to you’re liking and style.



Some people are either super perfectionists or OCD.....
And some do not teach well.

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Aug 8, 2021 09:03:26   #
cactuspic Loc: Dallas, TX
 
[quote=E.L.. Shapiro]
Our cat gives me dirty looks!

NOT THE CAT!!! Now you've done it! You've gone and broken the golden rule of photography. At least you were puddy-shamed for for your transgressions.

Kidding aside, I appreciate how you taken your extensive experience and deep photographic knowledge, wrapped it with a gentle hand, and tied a bow with kindness and a bit of wit...a true gift in this age of stridency.

Irwin

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Aug 8, 2021 09:07:56   #
DanielJDLM
 
I started with my first camera when I was 7 years old. My grandfather, a photographer Gave it to me. I learned using a Kodak Pony where you had to set distance and aperture, then peer through a blurry little window hoping the photo would be correct. Over the years I continued to learn the art of photography. I had a B&W and color darkroom setup. To get some easy “A’s” in college and grad school I took photography courses. In all this I learned the technical aspects are just part of the equation equaling a good photograph. I joined a photo club and in the first group critique of members’ photographs I came across several people who resemble the “expert” you took the class from. At the end I went to the President of the club and expressed my displeasure with these other photographers tearing apart good photographs and their pontificating on how they would have done it. I never went back. Your photographs are wonderful! Don’t let this expert egoistic take anything away from your art! Keep on making photographs!

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Aug 8, 2021 09:09:48   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DanielJDLM wrote:
I started with my first camera when I was 7 years old. My grandfather, a photographer Gave it to me. I learned using a Kodak Pony where you had to set distance and aperture, then peer through a blurry little window hoping the photo would be correct. Over the years I continued to learn the art of photography. I had a B&W and color darkroom setup. To get some easy “A’s” in college and grad school I took photography courses. In all this I learned the technical aspects are just part of the equation equaling a good photograph. I joined a photo club and in the first group critique of members’ photographs I came across several people who resemble the “expert” you took the class from. At the end I went to the President of the club and expressed my displeasure with these other photographers tearing apart good photographs and their pontificating on how they would have done it. I never went back. Your photographs are wonderful! Don’t let this expert egoistic take anything away from your art! Keep on making photographs!
I started with my first camera when I was 7 years ... (show quote)

They all had their own opinions, didn't they.....

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Aug 8, 2021 09:11:21   #
DanielJDLM
 
Wonderful! Love the quotes you added.

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Aug 8, 2021 09:12:27   #
richardjkirby601 Loc: Northern VA
 
I would focus on what you find appealing in your photographs, the ones you posted are amazing. I have worked with a few photographers and the ones I find most respectable always find beauty in the pictures they see. They may have suggestions on things you could do in the future but they never degrade a photograph or a photographer. I am sure there was lots of good stuff you could learn from the class, but please don't learn their attitude it's obnoxious.

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Aug 8, 2021 09:13:42   #
AikenMooney Loc: SouthCarolina
 
quixdraw wrote:
Take a deep breath, forget nearly everything the "Distinguished Photographer" said. Two things, a big Cheese always has to be that, ego! Second if he can't find all sorts of things wrong, how can he get you to take more and better classes. There is no one standard or size that fits all. Choose things you found useful, toss the rest and move on. You take lots of photos that are very fine, you did before the class, and will continue to do so!


Very well said.

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Aug 8, 2021 09:15:05   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
Educators know the first thing education needs is "another choice" of educator. Your instructor's ego is presenting a barrier that cannot be broken in your situation. Move on to someone with whom you have something in common. Not all "great shooters" are great instructors. Find someone who instructs for a hobby, maybe at a Junior College, and you will find an instructor-at heart. Instruction can be given in technical areas such as exposure, but guidance is more effective for areas such as composure and shading. Seems your guy was too busy counting his money instead of his accomplishments (satisfied students). Move on-move up. Next time, ask the student next to you, not this instructor.

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