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Aug 6, 2021 12:30:15   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
cactuspic wrote:
Bill, thank you for your detailed and thoughtful guide. VERY helpful.

Irwin

P.S. Was that the "Aqualung" tour? Also, why the two copyright dates? Does a subsequent reiteration/edit get a new additional date?


Yes, Aqualung tour. I sold prints of that as a college student that Fall. I may sell the image again, so I renewed the copyright for the digital media.

PS. The digital version looks much better than all my attempts at silver halide prints, because I copied the film to a raw file and processed it in Lightroom.

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Aug 6, 2021 12:45:16   #
srt101fan
 
Hereford wrote:
Nothing out there will equal your old Minolta slide and film scanner. I have both the Minolta Scan Elite 2850 and Scan Elite 5400 scanners and I still use the original software from Minolta to do it. I have kept my old 24" iMac running Mac OS 10.6.4 (Snow Leopard) as that was the last combo that would function with the old Minolta software apps. I have scanned more than 7,000 slides with these Minolta scanners.

You can use third party software such as ViewScan and others to run the old Minolta scanners, but I found the results visibly not as good as the Minolta software. I can only speak for the Mac community, but if you take your computer to a Mac store they will install old operating systems for you that can run old apps. I can't speak to the PC community.

If that sounds like more trouble than it's worth, most UHH members seem happy using a flatbed scanner such as the Epson V-600 Photo to do the job. Alternatively you could set up a rig to use your DSLR or mirrorless camera to photograph each photo on filmstrip or slide for the highest quality of all.
Nothing out there will equal your old Minolta slid... (show quote)


Thanks. All my stuff is Windows. I have the Minolta DiMage Dual Scan IV (don't know how that compares with yours). So far I can still use it with Win 10, with some issues, but I wonder how long that's going to last. The HP scanner is definitely showing compatibility problems.

I would like to try copying slides/negs with a camera but currently have no macro lens. 'burkphoto' has a great, detailed tutorial on "camera scanning", see his post in this thread.

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Aug 6, 2021 13:09:39   #
srt101fan
 
StanMac wrote:
I have the V500, an earlier iteration of the V600 scanner model. It will scan documents, film and slides ( when using the supplied holders), and photographs. I do like mine for what I use it exclusively for photographic scanning, although I did use it to scan my entire HS senior yearbook to have my senior classmate images for use in reunion programs and presentations.

Stan


Good to know!

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Aug 6, 2021 13:12:17   #
srt101fan
 
lamiaceae wrote:
The Epson V600 would probably be a fine scanner for you. I own both an Epson V500 Photo and a V850 Pro. I don't think scanning technology has changed much but the drivers may become obsolete for really old peripherals. I am still using some Vista era peripherals with Win 10.


Another thumbs up for Epson. People do seem to like the V series....

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Aug 6, 2021 13:12:53   #
srt101fan
 
gvarner wrote:
I use the Epson V600. Very happy with it. It’s native driver and software is good but get VueScan for a bit more flexibility.


Thanks!

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Aug 6, 2021 13:16:22   #
srt101fan
 
rmalarz wrote:
I have an Epson Perfection 3200 that worked for me for some 20 years. I recently upgraded to an Epson V850. My choice of those scanners was driven by the need to scan 4x5 negatives. The Epson V600 is also a good choice but again my choices were driven by the need to scan 4x5 negatives. My upgrade was simply a want to not a need to. My personal choice for the software to drive the scanner was Silverfast.
--Bob


Thanks, Bob, I have a few 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 but almost all my film is 35mm.

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Aug 6, 2021 13:40:49   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Lamiaceae, Although I haven't tried it, the V850 can be used to scan 8x10 negatives. The best thing to do is google

scanning 8x10 negatives with a V850

There are a number of hits for that. How useful they are will have to be determined by you.
--Bob
lamiaceae wrote:
We both have 4x5" films. I even have a few 8x10" films.

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Aug 6, 2021 14:29:49   #
srt101fan
 
burkphoto wrote:
You generally get what you pay for when buying a scanner. The Epson V600 is very good as a print scanner. It is good to very good for scanning *medium format* film — 645 format, 6x6, 6x7, 6x8, 6x9, etc. But it is just okay for scanning 35mm slides and negatives. The FOCUS just isn't there. Effective resolution isn't very high on 35mm and smaller formats. For larger format film, the V850 is very good.

The best part of the V600, I found, was the Digital ICE feature. That's now obsolete software, because it was written as 32-bit code and won't run on MacOS 10.15 or later. However, the HARDWARE for Digital ICE can be used by SilverFast SE, which Epson provides as a free download when you buy the scanner and enter its serial number on their download site.

I'd buy the V600 or V850 for print scanning and for scanning medium format film. Better deals can be had on all-in-one printer/copier/scan/fax units with EcoTank bottled ink, if you just need office features.

A better choice, for me, anyway, is to "camera scan" my media. I already had the camera and a macro lens. If you have a dSLR or MILC and a macro lens, you have most of the things you need.

I built my own copy stand for prints, using two decent-quality video lights ($50 each with AC adapters), two light weight table top light stands ($25 total), and some PVC plumbing parts, shelving, rubber feet, super glue, and 1/4"-20 TPI hardware (about $90 total). I've "scanned" thousands of prints with dSLR and MILC setups like this — professionally — since 1980. The advantage is that raw capture gives you the ability to do some amazing image adjustments to old prints using the same tools and knowledge you probably already use for digital image processing. But you can also record great JPEGs if you meter and white balance off a photographic gray card and use a new manual exposure setting for every different magnification. (Reciprocity effects occur at macro distances of 1:10 and smaller.)

The copy stand doubles as support for my film duplicator rig, described in my attached 20-page, illustrated PDF. That uses one of my copy stand lights, Velcro, black foam-core board, and the Essential Film Holder, the ingenious gadget that makes it possible to get really high quality camera scans from slides and negatives up to 6x9 cm.

I'm currently scanning old film from my teens as a high school candid yearbook photographer. Attached is a photo from a May 5, 1973 Jethro Tull concert at Clemson University. It was "camera scanned" from about a third of a 35mm Kodak Tri-X negative I push-processed in Acufine developer. More samples are in the PDF attached directly below this. Read it in your browser by double-clicking on it.
You generally get what you pay for when buying a s... (show quote)


Thanks much, Bill. I saw your tutorial before and thought it was excellent! But right now I don't have a macro lens (I know, I know, what kind of a photographer doesn't have a macro! I'm not a photographer, just a picturetaker...)

Awesome image you posted. An excellent plug for the camera option.

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Aug 6, 2021 16:50:27   #
srt101fan
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I think I am in the same boat as you. I have the Minolta dimage dual scan IV (what a name?) and I think you have the same. I can use it with Windows 10 if I install the free version of Vuescan then I use the Minolta software. Some how the Minolta software can make use of the Vuescan driver. The only thing is that I have to use the Minolta as a stand alone and save the scan as TIFF for further editing in PS. With Windows XP I would be able to scan directly into PS without having to save the file as TIFF.
I also have a couple old flat bed scanner. One is very old but I like it was the Scanjet 4C with the SCSI interface. The other is the Scanjet 6300. Neither will work with Windows 10 (or Windows 7 for that matter). I have to have an old HP XW6000 workstation running Windows XP to use them. The XW6000 has scsi ultra 320 so it can connect to the Scanjet 4C. I also have to install the Windows XP version that came from HP in order to have the drive for the 4C.
I am thinking of buying the Epson V600 to replace all 3 scanners. I don't know how long it will work as Windows 11 is coming.
I think I am in the same boat as you. I have the M... (show quote)


Yes, we do have the same film scanner model. I much appreciated your help with it a while back. Like you, I'm worried about the effect of Win 11 on the performance of my old gear. I'm also leaning towards the Epson V600. Time to modernize!?

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Aug 6, 2021 16:52:43   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
You generally get what you pay for when buying a scanner. The Epson V600 is very good as a print scanner. It is good to very good for scanning *medium format* film — 645 format, 6x6, 6x7, 6x8, 6x9, etc. But it is just okay for scanning 35mm slides and negatives. The FOCUS just isn't there. Effective resolution isn't very high on 35mm and smaller formats. For larger format film, the V850 is very good.

The best part of the V600, I found, was the Digital ICE feature. That's now obsolete software, because it was written as 32-bit code and won't run on MacOS 10.15 or later. However, the HARDWARE for Digital ICE can be used by SilverFast SE, which Epson provides as a free download when you buy the scanner and enter its serial number on their download site.

I'd buy the V600 or V850 for print scanning and for scanning medium format film. Better deals can be had on all-in-one printer/copier/scan/fax units with EcoTank bottled ink, if you just need office features.

A better choice, for me, anyway, is to "camera scan" my media. I already had the camera and a macro lens. If you have a dSLR or MILC and a macro lens, you have most of the things you need.

I built my own copy stand for prints, using two decent-quality video lights ($50 each with AC adapters), two light weight table top light stands ($25 total), and some PVC plumbing parts, shelving, rubber feet, super glue, and 1/4"-20 TPI hardware (about $90 total). I've "scanned" thousands of prints with dSLR and MILC setups like this — professionally — since 1980. The advantage is that raw capture gives you the ability to do some amazing image adjustments to old prints using the same tools and knowledge you probably already use for digital image processing. But you can also record great JPEGs if you meter and white balance off a photographic gray card and use a new manual exposure setting for every different magnification. (Reciprocity effects occur at macro distances of 1:10 and smaller.)

The copy stand doubles as support for my film duplicator rig, described in my attached 20-page, illustrated PDF. That uses one of my copy stand lights, Velcro, black foam-core board, and the Essential Film Holder, the ingenious gadget that makes it possible to get really high quality camera scans from slides and negatives up to 6x9 cm.

I'm currently scanning old film from my teens as a high school candid yearbook photographer. Attached is a photo from a May 5, 1973 Jethro Tull concert at Clemson University. It was "camera scanned" from about a third of a 35mm Kodak Tri-X negative I push-processed in Acufine developer. More samples are in the PDF attached directly below this. Read it in your browser by double-clicking on it.
You generally get what you pay for when buying a s... (show quote)


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Aug 6, 2021 17:10:23   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
srt101fan wrote:
Yes, we do have the same film scanner model. I much appreciated your help with it a while back. Like you, I'm worried about the effect of Win 11 on the performance of my old gear. I'm also leaning towards the Epson V600. Time to modernize!?


Before you buy a V600, do your due diligence regarding software compatibility with Windows 11. I have no idea whether that "breaks" anything, but OS upgrades are known to present issues with scanner drivers and printer drivers, and Epson is notorious for supporting a model for only 3-5 years after introduction.

Vuescan and SilverFast are good alternatives to Epson Scan and Epson Scan 2.

I have an older Mac running an older version of MacOS, just so I can run Epson Scan and use Digital ICE features when needed. (It stays off the Internet!) Epson Scan 2 is compatible with MacOS 10.15 through 11.x, but does not have ICE support.

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Aug 7, 2021 06:44:49   #
mjmgka
 
I built my own copy stand for prints, using two decent-quality video lights ($50 each with AC adapters), two light weight table top light stands ($25 total), and some PVC plumbing parts, shelving, rubber feet, super glue, and 1/4"-20 TPI hardware (about $90 total).

I think using your camera is one of the best options. I have used an old photo enlarger stand for years. It s quite easy to remove the enlarger head and make an adapter plate to hold your camera.

I will be trying your setup for negatives I think it is an awesome idea.

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Aug 7, 2021 06:51:52   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
srt101fan wrote:
I have an old HP scanner that I've been using for photos and documents. I also have an old, long discontinued, Minolta film scanner. I've been looking forward to large scale scanning of my old films and slides in my "post-retirement retirement". But I wonder how long this hardware will continue to work and how long I can get it to play with the ever-changing Windows operating system. Also, we are moving to much smaller quarters and space is a problem.

What would you all consider to be a good scanner that does both photos AND film? I've seen the Epson V600 mentioned a lot in topics on film scanning; is it also good for photos and documents?

Have there been sufficient advances in scanning hardware/software that I could expect better scanning results with new gear?

I'm interested in your thoughts/experience and thank you in advance.
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V600

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Aug 7, 2021 07:17:28   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
Before you buy a V600, do your due diligence regarding software compatibility with Windows 11. I have no idea whether that "breaks" anything, but OS upgrades are known to present issues with scanner drivers and printer drivers, and Epson is notorious for supporting a model for only 3-5 years after introduction.

Vuescan and SilverFast are good alternatives to Epson Scan and Epson Scan 2.

I have an older Mac running an older version of MacOS, just so I can run Epson Scan and use Digital ICE features when needed. (It stays off the Internet!) Epson Scan 2 is compatible with MacOS 10.15 through 11.x, but does not have ICE support.
Before you buy a V600, do your due diligence regar... (show quote)


The old scanners are OK to me (I think to the OP too) except that their software don't work any more. They would work with Vuescan and Silverfast but we both don't want to use those software. So when I buy new scanner I don't want to use Vuescan or Silverfast.

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Aug 7, 2021 08:10:25   #
bw79st Loc: New York City
 
Your Minolta scanner is excellent for slides and negatives and if you buy VueScan software from Hamrick you will be able to use that, or any scanner, until it falls apart. VueScan works with any scanner ever made AFAIK, and once you get used to it you will be using the same interface for every scanner you own. No more learning new software every time you have to replace a scanner. I use it with an Epson V700 and a Canon FS4000. The V700 is a great scanner but it does not produce as good a scan as the Canon does on slides and 35mm negs.

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