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Jul 10, 2021 15:28:24   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 


If God didn't want us manipulating our images to get looks we visualize why did he let them invent editing software?

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Jul 10, 2021 15:34:30   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
[quote=E.L.. Shapiro]I don't know what antique street lamps have to do with this issue but perhaps there is an analogy I am missing. After all, I am an old guy.

I do, however, have a special place in my heart for OLD light equipment. Meet my "Beauty Light" made in 1950. It originally required a 1000Watt Mazda lamp, since discontinued but it works just fine with a 1000-Watt #3 Photoflood bulb (3400K). The 38" reflector and the hinged deflector enable many different light effects. it's still in service in my portrait camera room. The lams are difficult to find- they have the Mogul base and only last for 4 hours so the last time I found some, I stocked up! The unit ain't 100-years old yet- that would be ME!

As for street lighting- they took down all those beautiful ornate street lamps in my old Brooklyn neighbourhood. The ironwork was incredible! They have been replaced by big ugly metal shafts with sodium vapour bulbs that make everything look green/cyan, etc.[/quote
Glad that studio light gives you good service. It is probably built better than 99.99% of the modern stuff and if you can keep finding bulbs will outlast the new stuff by an even larger margin than it has so far. Though the cheap, lightweight yet powerful LEDs are handy for my macro when the mood hits me to do table top studio macro.

The ACME street lights have nothing to do with the original subject. Your roadrunner mention set me off. And also being an old guy I not only get easily distracted by memory lane but I sometimes need the distractions. And I forgot to mention that most of our ACME lights are also signals as that is what the company made back in the 20s - traffic signals that often had the pop up semaphore arms as well as the lights.

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Jul 10, 2021 16:30:17   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Thanks for brief history of artificial lighting. I see you use continuous lighting.

For my part, I took an interest in flash lighting when I had a home studio. A boatload of info on the Internet allowed me to come to grips fairly quickly with three lights including a hair light. I used accessories, too. It was like magic when the results fulfilled my intention.
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I don't know what antique street lamps have to do with this issue but perhaps there is an analogy I am missing. After all, I am an old guy.

I do, however, have a special place in my heart for OLD light equipment. Meet my "Beauty Light" made in 1950. It originally required a 1000Watt Mazda lamp, since discontinued but it works just fine with a 1000-Watt #3 Photoflood bulb (3400K). The 38" reflector and the hinged deflector enable many different light effects. it's still in service in my portrait camera room. The lams are difficult to find- they have the Mogul base and only last for 4 hours so the last time I found some, I stocked up! The unit ain't 100-years old yet- that would be ME!

As for street lighting- they took down all those beautiful ornate street lamps in my old Brooklyn neighbourhood. The ironwork was incredible! They have been replaced by big ugly metal shafts with sodium vapour bulbs that make everything look green/cyan, etc.
I don't know what antique street lamps have to do ... (show quote)

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Jul 10, 2021 16:40:39   #
paul lehmann Loc: long isl ny
 
Truth be told the greatest photographer in my mind Ansel Adams was a master of post processing and that was in the days of film.

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Jul 10, 2021 17:15:15   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.

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Jul 10, 2021 18:20:55   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.


Hidden is this very simple question in this question "getting it right in the camera how do we create.
I was doing a lot of "run & gun" video and extracting stills for sporting events like a Triathlon.
And a lot of shooting includes is what and who are you shooting. And what slant do you want for
the story or idea. You can set the camera's so that we can make adjustments quickly according to
the lighting and action. And grab shoot idea's that happen in a "newsy" way. With our new camera's
we can get a terrific view of what we are going to get. If we are shooting people shots (I don't call them portraits"
We have to pick position to lighting and exposure. The color, style and reactions are very important.
You can't street shoot if you don't know how to do this. Getting it right in the camera might be a still life
portrait posed or a scenic that is static and fussing with this is art. Getting it right is your sense perfect lighting
and framing which I have read National Geographic photographers work at. A read a young women is and up and rising photographer teaching a class the said "just shoot."

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Jul 10, 2021 18:24:04   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Delderby wrote:
I never knew that - but I can believe it. But what about their Menu?


Also known as the easiest and most intuitive menu system.
Again this is commented on in numerous reviews around the world. Sony is rated the worst.

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Jul 10, 2021 19:25:58   #
paul lehmann Loc: long isl ny
 
the instruction just shoot results in taking pictures not making photographs.

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Jul 10, 2021 20:43:16   #
ELNikkor
 
I usually shoot jpeg on my D750. If I see a normally lit scene, I set for NC (Neutral). If colors are muted, I set on "Standard", which is set: Sharpening +7, Clarity +1, Contrast -2, Brightness 0, Saturation +1, Hue 0. For street shooting, I'd probably be on ISO 400, "P" for program.

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Jul 10, 2021 21:58:26   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
love your post and to be safe for any important photos shoot raw AND jewelry. Adding jpeg on top of raw doesn't take up that much more memory.That way if you have and excellent capture you can at a later time do extensive post. Memory card very cheap. Under $20 for 64 G card from B and H. Jpeg only 7000 shots and Jpeg plus down to 1100 so you see the memory hogg is raw decease it has vastlyore data.
I myself look at the viewfinder and say this is off a little. I know in one menu you can do a lot of customizing, I think In picture style, I don't have my camera with me so can't confirm that for 100% sure. let us know what you did and results

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Jul 11, 2021 06:03:21   #
paul lehmann Loc: long isl ny
 
Frankly post processing is part of the craft of photography just another tool like fill lights or reflectors I don’t see a problem with the photographic artist tweeking the capture to suit his/her vision after all we don’t have to capture reality but our vision of that reality.

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Jul 11, 2021 06:18:27   #
Peterfiore Loc: Where DR goes south
 
If you have ever successfully shot chrome film(slide film), you already know-how.

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Jul 11, 2021 06:43:47   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
paul lehmann wrote:
Frankly post processing is part of the craft of photography just another tool like fill lights or reflectors I don’t see a problem with the photographic artist tweeking the capture to suit his/her vision after all we don’t have to capture reality but our vision of that reality.


If your "vision of reality" is anything other than reality, I have a need to question what meds you are on. And if your reality is other than real, then you have not "captured" it but invented it. If you present it as reality and it is your invention, is that not deceit?

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Jul 11, 2021 07:58:12   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Human perception of actuality varies. The action of perception reflects the existing condition of mind as influenced by all experience. In addition, imagination plays its part to influence the conscious perception. Schooling may direct our perception of matters photographic. Vision in photography encapsulates all those factors, visual and otherwise, that shape it, giving rise to its variance, individual by individual.

This understanding of vision came to me little by little while learning photography as a visual medium of human expression. I have found along the way that at best, a photograph may capture a sense of actuality.

I have one suggestion for others struggling to know the workings of the camera: consider attending a workshop that instructs in camera operation. This instruction will shorten the learning process and lay a foundation.
Delderby wrote:
If your "vision of reality" is anything other than reality, I have a need to question what meds you are on. And if your reality is other than real, then you have not "captured" it but invented it. If you present it as reality and it is your invention, is that not deceit?

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Jul 11, 2021 08:26:37   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
anotherview wrote:
Human perception of actuality varies. The action of perception reflects the existing condition of mind as influenced by all experience. In addition, imagination plays its part to influence the conscious perception. Schooling may direct our perception of matters photographic. Vision in photography encapsulates all those factors, visual and otherwise, that shape it, giving rise to its variance, individual by individual.

This understanding of vision came to me little by little while learning photography as a visual medium of human expression. I have found along the way that at best, a photograph may capture a sense of actuality.

I have one suggestion for others struggling to know the workings of the camera: consider attending a workshop that instructs in camera operation. This instruction will shorten the learning process and lay a foundation.
Human perception of actuality varies. The action ... (show quote)


Are you confusing reality with actuality? or perception with reality? Perceived actuality is hallucination - certainly not reality. A PPer can recreate his hallucination - but having created it - that is what it is - not true life. If it is not true, what is it?

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