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Jun 30, 2021 12:13:08   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
EdJ0307 wrote:
The country people like to lambast city people but they don't seem to realize that if it weren't for the city people the country people would still be working their fields with an ox pulling a plow and the farmer walking behind. Yep, good times, good times.
I'll probably get "lambasted" for this post but . . .
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Nothing could be further from the truth. Most farming innovations have begun with farmers themselves, finding a better way to do things. Most big city folks don’t have a clue as to what a farmer really does or what work is involved.

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Jun 30, 2021 13:07:01   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
Stephan G wrote:
The truth is that there are "city folks" who want to convert "country property" into cash cows. There are just as many "country folks" who want to convert "country property" into cash cows. Neither group is interested in the human aspect of the environment.

Through the decades, I have seen people who stepped up to help people in need, ignoring which group they may fall into. This was very notable during weather crises that occurred in the regions.

There are many religion groups that pretend to go in to help people in crisis, in order to proselytize. Also there are many political groups that do the same. A NIMBy can be found anywhere.

And then there is a "Thomas J".

The problem is that too many myths abound to the point that reality is lost. People are people. A person in need will be as close as to one's arm length. But myths will get in the way, always. Even in this thread, we can observe them at work.
The truth is that there are "city folks"... (show quote)


I think you have penned a very honest balance comment and I appreciate it very much.

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Jun 30, 2021 13:42:47   #
Watash
 
EdJ0307 wrote:
The country people like to lambast city people but they don't seem to realize that if it weren't for the city people the country people would still be working their fields with an ox pulling a plow and the farmer walking behind. Yep, good times, good times.
I'll probably get "lambasted" for this post but . . .
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Lambasted, no but I will give you 10 Bulls@#ts out of 10 for that comment!
You sound exactly like the people we are talking about.
I've seen horses and some wives pulling the plow but no oxen.
We've got a good tractor in the family but we don't use him for plowing. He can tractor a bar over 3 counties if need be to put meat on the table.

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Jun 30, 2021 14:56:29   #
Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
 
Stephan G wrote:
To paraphrase an old adage, the only mentality one can change is their own.

Remember, it is all a myth. You do not see it because you are in it.

Why not do something differently? Why not better? Why not grow up?

Try to get out of your backyard and visit the world.



As for getting out of my backyard: I lived and worked in New York City for two years and spent two more traveling the country at someone else's expense. And that my friend is the very reason I live in the country.

I'm not sure I understand your "myth" comment. If you care to translate it in the terms of Quantum Physics or the writings of Deepak Chopra/Gary Zukav/Rollo May/Erich Fromm/Will Shakespeare I might get a better handle on it.

I agree, in all probability I can not change anyone's mind but I can set a positive example of how to think for yourself. I can impress on others that freedom has more to do with your mental acumen than your physical location. Perhaps the best guidance I ever gave was to my three sons. I insisted they question everything. I taught them to not be lead astray by fancy words and nice promises. I taught them to celebrate their ideas and opinions. I taught them to not be intimidated or suppressed by those who were more powerful than themselves. The mantra was THINK FOR YOURSELF. Question, probe, investigate and search for truth. In the end their value systems were their own, not one that was arbitrary imposed. They were their own person.....not a carbon copy of me!

No, I cannot change anyone's mind but I know from experience that I can certainly shape a few thoughts and ideas.

Grow up? I'm blessed, I did so well as an adult that I now have the time and means to enjoy some of my child like qualities....you know- A love of life. An insatiable curiosity about the universe. Knowing how to be playful and fun loving. Seeing the world as a place of hope and promise. Taking time to do nothing. Walking with my dog in the woods. (Woods that I own) Eating ice cream with my great grandchildren. Staying up all night with a good book. Meeting people on UHH, even the ones that are a pain in the neck. Like everyone that is fortunate enough to be young at heart, my list is endless.

I'm certain I lack your sophistication and worldly experience, none the less I have maintained my ability
to see and appreciate the common miracles that come my way everyday of my life - even the ones that hurt. Those miracles might happen in a rural setting but that doesn't make them any less worth while.

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Jun 30, 2021 14:59:43   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
Yep they do!!!
Really they try to citify the country!!!
We have a county collector that wants tax property on actual value instead of assessed value & institute zoning, She if fast losing supporters.
I'M a city boy that started trying to get out of the city @ age 17 it took me almost 15 years to get her done.
A few yrs later I I had to go to work in St.Louis, but I found a place 30 miles outside the city.2019 I moved farther out now 70 miles, so far so good.


To continue my tale about city folks.
About ten years after I moved 30 miles outside Stlouis, on a 25a "farm", people from the city started buying property on the road I lived on,The first thing they bitched about was the gravel road tearing up their car, now there was no posted speed limit on the road, but unposted roads had a limit of 40mph. These people were driving close to 60mph in front of my place.
Soon they had traffic counters on the road, you know the little boxes with a rubber hose across the road, after three months the county Judge (alderman) called a meeting, one of few I attended and said for the county to pave the road there needed to an average of 4000 cars a day and there were under 2000 cars a day.
At that time the neighbor doing all the complaining ask what about the road tearing up her car, The judge was at a loos for words, me being such a nice guy I helped him out, I told her it wasn't the roads fault she drove like an idiot.
Now the road finally got paved and guess who was bitching that she had to deed a 10ft easement to the county so they could pave the road. Go figure !!
I didn't have to give an easement since I had granted one so they could put electric to my father-in-laws place at the end of my property.

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Jun 30, 2021 15:30:03   #
pbcbob Loc: Delray Beach, FL
 
Florida used to be a great place to live and then came air conditioning and Disney. City people will not be happy until it is paved from the Atlantic to the Gulf.

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Jun 30, 2021 15:45:13   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
pbcbob wrote:
Florida used to be a great place to live and then came air conditioning and Disney. City people will not be happy until it is paved from the Atlantic to the Gulf.


It will probably be flooded before that happens

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Jun 30, 2021 16:04:02   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
New "city slicker" next door asks "Where is the best place to get some good fried chicken? I miss KFC."

You hand them:
1. a live chicken
2. an axe and point to a stump to use for a chopping block
3. a cast iron skillet
4. a container of lard or bacon grease
5. a cook book titled "Real Country Cooking"

Then watch them melt down when they realize "chicken tenders" used to run around the barn yard eating corn and bugs.

You can do something similar when they ask about bacon, ham, steak, fish etc. And don't forget to give them a packet of seed corn, a hoe and that same cook book with a marker on the page for roasted "corn on the cob". But caution them they should eat something else from the store since it will take a while.

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Jun 30, 2021 17:55:22   #
FrankR Loc: NYC
 
I’m a city guy. Outside of a few years in suburbia and time in the Marine Corps, I have always lived in NYC. I want my child to have a better life than I had. I want her to be healthy, happy, and successful. Note that I said successful, not, “A success.” I want to live my life doing things I enjoy, in places I enjoy, with people whose company I enjoy. And I want my privacy if that’s what I choose. Tell me how we’re different? What is it I want that you don’t? A lot of you speak in vague general terms about “City people” wanting to make changes, to, to make the new place more like where they left. Can you be specific? I’m a city guy, and have no intention of moving to the country, as I said. I might want a vacation home somewhere, but we’ll see. Presume for a moment I did however, that I moved down the road from you. If for example, I would like a museum, better schools, more money spent on first responders, maybe a Jazz club, a wider choice of restaurants. How is that bad for you? I can’t see how or why any of those would be; they would benefit everybody, not just me. So what is it you object to? What don’t you want, that you see as making your home town, “More like where they came from?”

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Jun 30, 2021 18:19:36   #
Leo_B Loc: Houston suburb
 
FrankR wrote:
I’m a city guy. Outside of a few years in suburbia and time in the Marine Corps, I have always lived in NYC. I want my child to have a better life than I had. I want her to be healthy, happy, and successful. Note that I said successful, not, “A success.” I want to live my life doing things I enjoy, in places I enjoy, with people whose company I enjoy. And I want my privacy if that’s what I choose. Tell me how we’re different? What is it I want that you don’t? A lot of you speak in vague general terms about “City people” wanting to make changes, to, to make the new place more like where they left. Can you be specific? I’m a city guy, and have no intention of moving to the country, as I said. I might want a vacation home somewhere, but we’ll see. Presume for a moment I did however, that I moved down the road from you. If for example, I would like a museum, better schools, more money spent on first responders, maybe a Jazz club, a wider choice of restaurants. How is that bad for you? I can’t see how or why any of those would be; they would benefit everybody, not just me. So what is it you object to? What don’t you want, that you see as making your home town, “More like where they came from?”
I’m a city guy. Outside of a few years in suburbia... (show quote)


To answer your questions would take this into attic territory and cause being banned in this area. In the old days I'd have just answered. I'm watching more closely what area I'm in and not responding appropriately automatically anymore.

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Jun 30, 2021 18:48:14   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Leo_B wrote:
To answer your questions would take this into attic territory and cause being banned in this area. In the old days I'd have just answered. I'm watching more closely what area I'm in and not responding appropriately automatically anymore.



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Jun 30, 2021 19:07:12   #
domcomm Loc: Denver, CO
 
There's even a TV show in the U.K. called "Escape to the Country" where they try to help people find a suitable property. It can be seen here in the U.S. on the Dabl channel.

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Jun 30, 2021 20:19:36   #
Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
 
FrankR wrote:
I’m a city guy. Outside of a few years in suburbia and time in the Marine Corps, I have always lived in NYC. I want my child to have a better life than I had. I want her to be healthy, happy, and successful. Note that I said successful, not, “A success.” I want to live my life doing things I enjoy, in places I enjoy, with people whose company I enjoy. And I want my privacy if that’s what I choose. Tell me how we’re different? What is it I want that you don’t? A lot of you speak in vague general terms about “City people” wanting to make changes, to, to make the new place more like where they left. Can you be specific? I’m a city guy, and have no intention of moving to the country, as I said. I might want a vacation home somewhere, but we’ll see. Presume for a moment I did however, that I moved down the road from you. If for example, I would like a museum, better schools, more money spent on first responders, maybe a Jazz club, a wider choice of restaurants. How is that bad for you? I can’t see how or why any of those would be; they would benefit everybody, not just me. So what is it you object to? What don’t you want, that you see as making your home town, “More like where they came from?”
I’m a city guy. Outside of a few years in suburbia... (show quote)


It has nothing to do with life style. It's all about politics.

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Jun 30, 2021 23:03:25   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
FrankR wrote:
I’m a city guy. Outside of a few years in suburbia and time in the Marine Corps, I have always lived in NYC. I want my child to have a better life than I had. I want her to be healthy, happy, and successful. Note that I said successful, not, “A success.” I want to live my life doing things I enjoy, in places I enjoy, with people whose company I enjoy. And I want my privacy if that’s what I choose. Tell me how we’re different? What is it I want that you don’t? A lot of you speak in vague general terms about “City people” wanting to make changes, to, to make the new place more like where they left. Can you be specific? I’m a city guy, and have no intention of moving to the country, as I said. I might want a vacation home somewhere, but we’ll see. Presume for a moment I did country however, that I moved down the road from you. If for example, I would like a museum, better schools, more money spent on first responders, maybe a Jazz club, a wider choice of restaurants. How is that bad for you? I can’t see how or why any of those would be; they would benefit everybody, not just me. So what is it you object to? What don’t you want, that you see as making your home town, “More like where they came from?”
I’m a city guy. Outside of a few years in suburbia... (show quote)


Say what! Who says folks in the country don’t have good schools? Good fire and police? Restaurants and museums within reasonable driving distance? Apparently you think we are a bunch of uncouth, ignorant hicks. Wake up!

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Jul 1, 2021 03:10:41   #
FrankR Loc: NYC
 
jaymatt wrote:
Say what! Who says folks in the country don’t have good schools? Good fire and police? Restaurants and museums within reasonable driving distance? Apparently you think we are a bunch of uncouth, ignorant hicks. Wake up!


Where did I say you don’t? Saying you want to spend more money on something implies that “something” is there already. Of course I know that you have most, if not all, of what I mentioned. Apparently you think we’re uncouth, ignorant city slickers who have no idea of anything outside of where we live. Wake up!

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