An Interesting Point Regarding Amateur vs. Accomplished Photographers
rmalarz wrote:
https://www.butkus.org/chinon/index.html
--Bob
There's a variety of sources, such as Canon who has every DSLR PDF available on their site and older film cameras like the EOS 1N or EOS 1v. Nikon seems to have all their DSLRs. I've never tested / needed a manual for their film cameras.
rmalarz wrote:
I was watching an interview with Daniel Milnor. He's a documentary photographer. One of the statements he made was in regard to the successful high-end photographers is their lack of being obsessed with equipment. It appears that amateurs are the equipment-obsessed group. The successful photographers will discuss techniques, aspects of projects in which they are currently engaged, etc. Equipment is not a primary concern.
That makes a great deal of sense in that working with equipment that one has had for a considerable length of time provides the comfort of familiarity. That allows one to concentrate on the project at hand.
--Bob
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Professionals get better by practicing their skill every day.
Amateurs don't have the time to practice every day, so we improve our photography by getting a new camera.
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Self-confidence can be learned, practiced, and mastered, just like buying a mirrorless camera.
larryepage wrote:
I had a desk accessory for a long time with this quote:
Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people.
I know several accomplished artists. They all focus on their process more than on their equipment. None of them use cheap, crummy brushes. I doubt that van Gough or any other accomplished artist did (or does) either. And I've written elsewhere about my friend who was very proud to have found the really good watercolor paints, with less binder and more pigment. She told me about them at length after receiving the first set of them a year of so ago. But now they are part of her process. She has not mentioned them for months.
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I never said Van Gogh etal. used cheap brushes nor would I propose that the best way to surpass their work would be to use better brushes than they. The essence of art is human creativity and imagination and in most cases is not the function of equipment used. In Van Gogh's case, he sometimes flipped the brush over and painted with the handle to get the effect he sought. That's using equipment in a creative fashion. By the same token, I don't think accomplished people feel limited by equipment, their quest is to find a way, any way to achieve their desired effect.
I think we may both be saying the same thing, I just cut to the quick with my opening comment.
CHG_CANON wrote:
You can download a PDF copy of most any camera manual, even older and long discontinued film bodies. Just google your brand, model number and 'manual'. Typically, they'll be from the support or download section of the original manufacturer's website.
I should've thought of that, duh. Thanks, I've noticed and appreciate your generous help to many on these forums!
JohnR
Loc: The Gates of Hell
rmalarz wrote:
I was watching an interview with Daniel Milnor. He's a documentary photographer. One of the statements he made was in regard to the successful high-end photographers is their lack of being obsessed with equipment. It appears that amateurs are the equipment-obsessed group. The successful photographers will discuss techniques, aspects of projects in which they are currently engaged, etc. Equipment is not a primary concern.
That makes a great deal of sense in that working with equipment that one has had for a considerable length of time provides the comfort of familiarity. That allows one to concentrate on the project at hand.
--Bob
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I would expect a large part of being an "Accomplished Photographer" is in knowing what you're doing and therefore knowing what equipment will provide you the results you're looking for. If its your living you're earning then obviously you stick to proven gear as experimentation may result in a loss of income. Amateurs (filthy rich ones that is!) can experiment as much as they like without counting the cost of failures. Ah well that one didn't do the job so I'll try another - many also have lots of software trying to achieve that elusive "tack sharp wall hanger" I'm not sure which category I fit into but have several cameras for different purposes = hiking/riding/family etc. No software other than that which came either with a camera or my iMac. Cheers JohnR
John N
Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
I'm pretty sure the new Canons (R5 & R6) would likely improve my shots if only because, from what I've read, the auto focusing has made a sea change for the better.
But I'm also aware there are people out there who could take a better image than me with a cheap phone. You have to realise your own limits. Some people are lucky enough to stumble upon something they can do really well, others work extremely hard to acheive the same results. Many of us fall short on both counts.
rmalarz wrote:
https://www.butkus.org/chinon/index.html
--Bob
Great link Bob - thanks. I downloaded the manual for my much loved Canon A-1, as the original was lost long ago.
I would agree. I used the same baseball glove at third base for decades. I used the same cue stick for decades, the same deer rifle. I used a Minolta SRT-101 for decades, but not anymore. Going digital is great. I'll have my D850 until I'm dead.
I would agree. I used the same baseball glove at third base for decades. I used the same cue stick for decades, the same deer rifle. I used a Minolta SRT-101 for decades, but not anymore. Going digital is great. I'll have my D850 until I'm dead.
rmalarz wrote:
I was watching an interview with Daniel Milnor. He's a documentary photographer. One of the statements he made was in regard to the successful high-end photographers is their lack of being obsessed with equipment. It appears that amateurs are the equipment-obsessed group. The successful photographers will discuss techniques, aspects of projects in which they are currently engaged, etc. Equipment is not a primary concern.
That makes a great deal of sense in that working with equipment that one has had for a considerable length of time provides the comfort of familiarity. That allows one to concentrate on the project at hand.
--Bob
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I'd have to agree and I got worse after joining this forum.
Reuss Griffiths wrote:
I don't think Van Gogh, Picasso and Renoir had better brushes.
I would respectfully disagree. They all were accomplished painters and most likely could tell which better brushes gave them the finished product they sought.
I would even submit professional housepainters of today will purchase brushes and equipment they know will do a good job and last.
Dennis
kymarto
Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
In my professional work all that counts is getting the shot. It doesn't matter how good the color of the viewfinder is or the resolution at the corner wide open or how smooooth the lens focuses. If I can get the shot that is all that matters. In North Korea the only thing I could carry for stills was a Sony RX-100, because I was carrying 50 pounds of video gear, as video was the assignment. Nevertheless I managed to get great shots, one of which became a book cover. Equipment is important, but not primary.
dennis2146 wrote:
I would respectfully disagree. They all were accomplished painters and most likely could tell which better brushes gave them the finished product they sought.
I would even submit professional housepainters of today will purchase brushes and equipment they know will do a good job and last.
Dennis
Too bad electricians use "Contractor Grade" to keep costs down.
Do any painters use disposable brushes so they don't have to be cleaned?
I think as you progress as a photographer your values change. I don’t obsess with absolute focus...I’m not going to spend $2000 more on a lens because it’s sharper at the corners. Granted I have an 850 which I got because of the ability to crop and still maintain good IQ. On the other hand I got an new phone and find myself actually using it and producing some pretty worthwhile shots. When you cross that line where you realize photography is an art an not a tech fest you look thru the viewfinder a different way.
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