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May 24, 2021 11:38:42   #
CPR Loc: Nature Coast of Florida
 
Has anybody asked "How big is the boat?' Do you have room to move around or are you set up in one spot too close for the 50? Go with the zoom and a way to off-camera flash if you don't know the answers.............
Learn about fill-flash and backlighted and the color of light at sunset.............

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May 24, 2021 11:44:38   #
picturemom
 
I am just a mom taking family photos. Sorry should have said something up front

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May 24, 2021 11:55:27   #
picturemom
 
Thank you for the advice. I am the mom taking the pictures on a flat catamaran boat for a sunset cruise. Starts at 7pm which is still light outside. The cruise is a slow cruise for 2 hours on a open catamaran. No decks no cabins etc. I will use my 50mm 1.8 and give it a shot. I am sure there will be 20 camera phones who will just point and shoot while I try my best for the great shots

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May 24, 2021 14:57:38   #
pocotoo
 
MrPhotog wrote:
Probably 50% to 70% of my wedding photography was done with a 50 mm lens. I shifted to a 35 mm lens for groups. Rarely would I use a 90 or 135 mm lens—maybe one shot during a church ceremony. Rarely would I use a 28 or wider.

Your zoom is fine, keep it handy, but do most of your work with your 50 mm lens, and your feet. Step back about 18 feet to get a full length photo of the bride and her dress, with the train. Step closer for tighter shots.

Shoot verticals for singles, couples and threes. Close shots of couples are horizontals. Anything over 6 people is probably going to be a horizontal. Between 3 and 6 is a toss up. Depends on the pose.

Weddings on boats can be very pretty. And, Nobody leaves early!

If you are between decks you’ll have a low ceiling, which works well with bounce light. If you are on an open area you may be under a canvas tent-like cover, which is iffy with bounce flash, and of course if you are under the open sky you need direct flash.

You only get great sunset lighting for 10-15 minutes. If you use that for a background, even a small flash will provide fill-in light for detail in people’s faces.

You can practice fill flash techniques ( best sync speed, distance, etc) at home with volunteers (or conscripts) of family and friends. Haul out the troupe as the sun approaches the horizon and check your watch for the time. After the sun is down you’ll have a few minutes of afterglow when the clouds may be stunning. Then check your watch again. See how much time you actually have. Count how many pictures and poses you could make in that time.

On sunset cruises, get as many groups as possible before sunset. Concentrate on the bride, groom, their families, and the bridal party at sunset. After that all your light will be with flash. Bring extra batteries. Ask ahead about when the boat is scheduled to return. That will give you an idea of how many hours of darkness to plan on. Open decks, with no walls to reflect the light, suck the light (and battery life) from flash units.

Don’t expect to find a wall socket for recharging anything. They might be available, but they can also be unreliable. Obviously the boat is not connected to the grid. It has its own generator, and voltage and frequency can vary widely from what your equipment needs.

The cruise boats typically have plenty of lights, but they may be more ‘mood lighting’ than portrait quality illumination. The faster f/1.8 50 mm lens may be easier to use.

Bring a sweater. Even if the day is very warm the evening will cool off fast on a boat. You want to be comfortable.

I can’t think of a reason to bring a tripod.

Bring a few plastic bags. Who knows what the weather will be like. A stiff wind can create a bumpy ride, or a spray. If so, you can shield the camera until you pull it out to take a picture.

Finally, bring a towel.

Enjoy the wedding.
Probably 50% to 70% of my wedding photography was ... (show quote)


What a neat response. Very few give of themselves like you did. Makes me want to shoot a wedding on a boat.

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May 24, 2021 15:00:02   #
pocotoo
 
billnikon wrote:
I had over 30 years of professional wedding photography business. You will be on a confined space on a boat, at sunset you will have to shoot fast and you will not have time to switch of lenses, therefore it is my professional opinion that you only use the 24-70, since you will be balancing flash with the sunset an f4 lens will not be a concern.
Personally, if I were you, I would be practicing taking as many shots as I could at sunset on anyone who will pose for you so you can be confident about your balanced fill flash at sunset. So once the wedding day comes, you will be ready.
I had over 30 years of professional wedding photog... (show quote)



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May 24, 2021 15:16:34   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Bill_de wrote:
You didn't mention if you are taking on a job, or shooting friends and family. For friends and family it should be easy to get somebody to hold the off camera flash. The 50 F/1.8 will give nice soft mood shots of the happy couple. I would bring the 24 - 70, but it may not be needed.

If this is a professional job ... I'm not sure.


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If it is a professional job.....you are in over our head.

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May 24, 2021 15:18:37   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
PixelStan77 wrote:
I would us the 24-70 f/4 with a flash.
I would have an agreement what you will deliver for what price to the couple signed by them and you.




And be prepared for hassles during and after, unfortunately.

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May 24, 2021 15:21:49   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
picturemom wrote:
Thank you for the advice. I am the mom taking the pictures on a flat catamaran boat for a sunset cruise. Starts at 7pm which is still light outside. The cruise is a slow cruise for 2 hours on a open catamaran. No decks no cabins etc. I will use my 50mm 1.8 and give it a shot. I am sure there will be 20 camera phones who will just point and shoot while I try my best for the great shots


OK. Just take the one lens, the 50mm. Shoot RAW and edit later. Shoot what moves you. And stop when you want a Mom drink. Then drink more and tell the ungrateful raise to stick it and get on their lives!!!!

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May 24, 2021 15:59:06   #
picturemom
 
Not professional job. A mom job taking wedding pictures on a catamaran moving slowly 7pm to 9pm. With a canon 6Dmkll and a nifty fifty

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May 24, 2021 15:59:57   #
picturemom
 
No hassles it is a mom job taking pics not professional.

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May 24, 2021 16:01:38   #
picturemom
 
Huge catamaran. Plenty of room to move around for mom pics of wedding

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May 24, 2021 16:36:44   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
[quote=picturemom]Huge catamaran. Plenty of room to move around for mom pics of wedding]

Since you’ll be outside with fading light, I’d use the nifty fifty and leave the f4 zoom at home. Tale the flash, but since you’ve nothing to bounce it off of, I’d use it sparingly unless you have a diffuser of some sort. The 6D2 should be good with ISOs of 5,000 or higher. I’d definitely have a filter on the lens (spray).

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May 24, 2021 16:39:13   #
BebuLamar
 
picturemom wrote:
Not professional job. A mom job taking wedding pictures on a catamaran moving slowly 7pm to 9pm. With a canon 6Dmkll and a nifty fifty


Just do it. Don’t let them turn you down. Use all your equipment. Nobody gets hurt if the pics are not good. Wedding pics are not that important. It’s the marriage that is important.

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May 24, 2021 17:55:00   #
Kelly Cherry
 
Hi I'm Kelly

Not knowing your experience as a wedding photographer leaves a question in everyone's mind I'm sure. If I where you I'd take both your lenses and for any group shots move in fairly close to maximize the strength of your flash. The best thing that you can do if you have the time, is to buy a flash bracket to move your flash above your camera to give you better lighting. If you have a softbox attachment use it. If you had two speedlight shooting at a 45 degree angle or using butterfly lighting techniques (one flash higher than a flash attached to the camera), your lighting situation would improve drastically.

I'm hoping that your flash is compatible with your camera and you are going to carry rechargeable batteries with a charger several groups of them or several packs of extra Duracell or other reliable batteries that can deliver.

Good luck!

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May 24, 2021 19:28:19   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
picturemom wrote:
Not professional job. A mom job taking wedding pictures on a catamaran moving slowly 7pm to 9pm. With a canon 6Dmkll and a nifty fifty


I don't have a 6dmkii but I expect it would do OK if you pump up the ISO a bit.
There are a lot of "I'm shooting a wedding -- help" posts so I prepared a generic answer at https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/user-page?upnum=3001 which doesn't sound like your situation but you might get something out of it.

You're taking family photos. Do it. Personally I would take a zoom lens for more flexibility but whatever you're most comfortable with. I try to avoid shooting at really wide apertures because the depth of field is so narrow and it's easy to miss focus on something important. But on a small boat the 50 might be right. Just use smaller apertures when the light is good and move to the wide apertures when the light gets iffy.

The nice thing about digital photos is that they're free (once you get past the capital cost). You can take as many as you have space on the card for. The only real cost of taking a lot of digital photos is the time you spend identifying and throwing out the junk.

Go for it. And try to enjoy the cruise at the same time.

PS: My daughter got married a week ago. I was not the primary photographer but I still took 675 photos. But I took 3 camera bodies and 7 lenses. Wound up using only 2 of each. But that was over 3 days and I wasn't on a small boat.

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