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May 18, 2021 14:38:04   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
burkphoto wrote:
No, by "open minded people," I mean those with enough faith to challenge their own beliefs, just like my religion professors, philosophy professors, humanities professors, and yes, pastor did in my formative years.

Hiding sex from kids only makes it more tempting and fascinating to them. Explaining it early, in the proper context, does wonders for helping them relax about it. It helps them ignore much of the dangerously inaccurate street chatter. It helps them learn to form deeper relationships than just sexual ones, by giving it CONTEXT.

Every girl I knew in high school who got pregnant had no clues about birth control or the relationship between sex and pregnancy! It was no different at my twins' high school, 40 years later. Enforced ignorance is NOT a good thing, at any age. It just leads to tragedy and degradation.

Evil is believing that someone who does not think as we do is somehow inferior. It is an automatic assumption that THEY are evil because they are different. Guess what? They're quite capable of thinking the same about us!

I'm an American. I keep a copy of the US Constitution and 27 Amendments on my iPhone and on my end table. THAT DOCUMENT is what the United States stands for. Yet very few Americans know what is really in it, have read it in the last five years, or understand the reasons behind its articles and each amendment. We may not agree with it, but it's the foundation we live by.

We don't go deeply into Constitutional Law in public schools. A deep dive into it reveals why this country is far stronger than its adversaries. It reveals both its resilience and its flaws, too.

Studying the Constitution and Amendments also reveals what is NOT there, which is quite a lot of the folklore about "what America has always stood for." Much of "what America has always stood for" isn't in any way official. It's just assumptions based upon hearsay, plus domineering traditions of WASP culture, a "might makes right" mentality, and a "we stole this country fair and square" mindset. THAT's not America. It isn't in the Constitution or Amendments, and it isn't what the Founding Fathers and the Amenders intended. Those who think it is need to re-visit the Constitution and its 27 Amendments, and study a little history.

When I worked for the Census as a field supervisor last year, I took the same Oath of Office taken by Vice Presidents and all other government workers except the President (who takes a different, slightly simpler Oath):

“I, { name }, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

https://www.governmentworkerfi.com/federal-employees-oath-of-office/

That Oath is an awesome responsibility. When we hired enumerators, every one of them had to read the Oath, recite the Oath, and sign a copy of it. Not one of them in my area refused to do so. I wish more people would have to take it. Aside from my wedding vows and the Oath I had to take as part of being certified as a Project Management Professional, it's the most important pledge I've made. It means the Constitution comes before all else. No individual, party, or other entity is above that. We are a nation of laws, not of people.
No, by "open minded people," I mean thos... (show quote)


I notice you don't have much to say about Our Lord or The Bible. I'm not surprised. Good luck when your day of judgement gets here.

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May 18, 2021 14:44:12   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
burkphoto wrote:
Schools don’t all indoctrinate. They may teach things that certain parents don’t agree with — on all sides of various issues. One of my favorite professors said that, “Until you can effectively argue for the other side of an issue from your own, it might be a good idea to shut up and listen.”

Some of us are open to science and math and social tolerance, and some aren’t. Some of us know dangerous demagoguery when we see it. Self-righteous fundamentalists of every stripe are likely to complain about those with open minds.
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Watch this video starting at about 37:50 of the Virginia Louden Co School Board Meeting so that you are familiar with what the topic is about.

https://vimeo.com/368135621?fbclid=IwAR0LPAaH9ue_E3rlGb0xBaFFp9t6En_uPEOne1FtDMhXsWl9GLW8080XGVs

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May 18, 2021 16:36:09   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Watch this video starting at about 37:50 of the Virginia Louden Co School Board Meeting so that you are familiar with what the topic is about.

https://vimeo.com/368135621?fbclid=IwAR0LPAaH9ue_E3rlGb0xBaFFp9t6En_uPEOne1FtDMhXsWl9GLW8080XGVs


Yeah, I get it. Some very closed minded right wing parents want to keep their kids away from reality. They feel persecuted if anyone with different views should happen to share them.

One person did have a good point about needing to filter the Internet. They can correct that at the firewall.

Personally, I wanted my kids to learn about as wide a variety of people as exist in the community, then ask questions, get authentic answers, and above all, make their own conclusions.

Do I agree with everything they encountered? Hell, no! But we live in a pluralistic society. There is no state religion, race, age, ethnicity, sexual orientation, IQ, hair color, shoe size…

Everyone gets a say. Respect, tolerance, freedom from enforced belief, equality of opportunity… These are fundamental American ideals. Educational resources should reflect that diversity.

I’m not the least threatened by my kids’ exposure to different points of view in all forms of literature. I trust them to place it in proper context and rise above those things that are not in their best interests. I have faith…

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May 18, 2021 16:41:06   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
AirWalter wrote:
I notice you don't have much to say about Our Lord or The Bible. I'm not surprised. Good luck when your day of judgement gets here.


Why would I bring up religion? The debate was over literature in public schools, not Sunday schools or parochial schools.

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May 18, 2021 17:35:29   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yeah, I get it. Some very closed minded right wing parents want to keep their kids away from reality. They feel persecuted if anyone with different views should happen to share them.

One person did have a good point about needing to filter the Internet. They can correct that at the firewall.

Personally, I wanted my kids to learn about as wide a variety of people as exist in the community, then ask questions, get authentic answers, and above all, make their own conclusions.

Do I agree with everything they encountered? Hell, no! But we live in a pluralistic society. There is no state religion, race, age, ethnicity, sexual orientation, IQ, hair color, shoe size…

Everyone gets a say. Respect, tolerance, freedom from enforced belief, equality of opportunity… These are fundamental American ideals. Educational resources should reflect that diversity.

I’m not the least threatened by my kids’ exposure to different points of view in all forms of literature. I trust them to place it in proper context and rise above those things that are not in their best interests. I have faith…
Yeah, I get it. Some very closed minded right wing... (show quote)


I too get it, you fed your kids porn and they grew up great! Yes that was a bit harsh but it is my understanding that much of this goes on without public knowledge, decisions are made by woke administrators and many parents just don't have a clue as to what is transpiring in the school systems. Much like the military having to take courses on the 1619 project's interpretation of the history of the United States and classes in CRT.

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May 18, 2021 17:45:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I too get it, you fed your kids porn and they grew up great! Yes that was a bit harsh but it is my understanding that much of this goes on without public knowledge, decisions are made by woke administrators and many parents just don't have a clue as to what is transpiring in the school systems. Much like the military having to take courses on the 1619 project's interpretation of the history of the United States and classes in CRT.


Both of my twins’ magnet schools in Charlotte had 100% PTA participation. We were very aware of what was taught there. We did not see any amoral, illegal, immoral, or even fattening content.

I’m outta here… it’s pointless to argue this way.

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May 18, 2021 18:35:07   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yeah, I get it. Some very closed minded right wing parents want to keep their kids away from reality. They feel persecuted if anyone with different views should happen to share them.

One person did have a good point about needing to filter the Internet. They can correct that at the firewall.

Personally, I wanted my kids to learn about as wide a variety of people as exist in the community, then ask questions, get authentic answers, and above all, make their own conclusions.

Do I agree with everything they encountered? Hell, no! But we live in a pluralistic society. There is no state religion, race, age, ethnicity, sexual orientation, IQ, hair color, shoe size…

Everyone gets a say. Respect, tolerance, freedom from enforced belief, equality of opportunity… These are fundamental American ideals. Educational resources should reflect that diversity.

I’m not the least threatened by my kids’ exposure to different points of view in all forms of literature. I trust them to place it in proper context and rise above those things that are not in their best interests. I have faith…
Yeah, I get it. Some very closed minded right wing... (show quote)


ho hum

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May 18, 2021 22:30:15   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
burkphoto wrote:
Why would I bring up religion? The debate was over literature in public schools, not Sunday schools or parochial schools.


U did mention religion...........

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May 19, 2021 08:51:41   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
burkphoto wrote:
Why would I bring up religion? The debate was over literature in public schools, not Sunday schools or parochial schools.


Public schools rather than Magnet schools!!! So, maybe your kids were not exposed to the trash that is being forced on kids in public schools. I also assume your kids went through schools before this indoctrination got such a head start. Where is your open mind. You just might be wrong, or maybe you were indoctrinated and didn't even realize it until those who indoctrinate finally managed to have you thinking the way they do. Is that why you don't understand why religion was mentioned? It has to do with morals for one!

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May 19, 2021 12:58:13   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
Excellent comments, doubtful they will be understood or appreciated.

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May 19, 2021 13:33:50   #
donb17
 
burkphoto wrote:
No, by "open minded people," I mean those with enough faith to challenge their own beliefs, just like my religion professors, philosophy professors, humanities professors, and yes, pastor did in my formative years.

Hiding sex from kids only makes it more tempting and fascinating to them. Explaining it early, in the proper context, does wonders for helping them relax about it. It helps them ignore much of the dangerously inaccurate street chatter. It helps them learn to form deeper relationships than just sexual ones, by giving it CONTEXT.

Every girl I knew in high school who got pregnant had no clues about birth control or the relationship between sex and pregnancy! It was no different at my twins' high school, 40 years later. Enforced ignorance is NOT a good thing, at any age. It just leads to tragedy and degradation.

Evil is believing that someone who does not think as we do is somehow inferior. It is an automatic assumption that THEY are evil because they are different. Guess what? They're quite capable of thinking the same about us!

I'm an American. I keep a copy of the US Constitution and 27 Amendments on my iPhone and on my end table. THAT DOCUMENT is what the United States stands for. Yet very few Americans know what is really in it, have read it in the last five years, or understand the reasons behind its articles and each amendment. We may not agree with it, but it's the foundation we live by.

We don't go deeply into Constitutional Law in public schools. A deep dive into it reveals why this country is far stronger than its adversaries. It reveals both its resilience and its flaws, too.

Studying the Constitution and Amendments also reveals what is NOT there, which is quite a lot of the folklore about "what America has always stood for." Much of "what America has always stood for" isn't in any way official. It's just assumptions based upon hearsay, plus domineering traditions of WASP culture, a "might makes right" mentality, and a "we stole this country fair and square" mindset. THAT's not America. It isn't in the Constitution or Amendments, and it isn't what the Founding Fathers and the Amenders intended. Those who think it is need to re-visit the Constitution and its 27 Amendments, and study a little history.

When I worked for the Census as a field supervisor last year, I took the same Oath of Office taken by Vice Presidents and all other government workers except the President (who takes a different, slightly simpler Oath):

“I, { name }, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

https://www.governmentworkerfi.com/federal-employees-oath-of-office/

That Oath is an awesome responsibility. When we hired enumerators, every one of them had to read the Oath, recite the Oath, and sign a copy of it. Not one of them in my area refused to do so. I wish more people would have to take it. Aside from my wedding vows and the Oath I had to take as part of being certified as a Project Management Professional, it's the most important pledge I've made. It means the Constitution comes before all else. No individual, party, or other entity is above that. We are a nation of laws, not of people.
No, by "open minded people," I mean thos... (show quote)



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