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May 2, 2021 17:38:00   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
soba1 wrote:
It doesnt guarantee u wont get COVID


And a seatbelt won’t guarantee u won’t get killed in a car accident!

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May 2, 2021 17:59:02   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
boberic wrote:
About 30 million cases with less than 6 hundred thousand deaths. comes to 98% survival

Talk with some of the survivors and pick out 2 percent of family or friends and ignore the costs and other complications.

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May 2, 2021 18:45:01   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
boberic wrote:
About 30 million cases with less than 6 hundred thousand deaths. comes to 98% survival


Sorry. This is not a proper citation. Where did you find the source of your assertion "about 30 million cases...." Please cite a verifiable source.

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May 2, 2021 19:33:07   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto.
Alafoto wrote:
At last! Something we can agree on.

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May 2, 2021 19:51:48   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Sorry. This is not a proper citation. Where did you find the source of your assertion "about 30 million cases...." Please cite a verifiable source.


Official Gov't stats. Just look it up. It's not a secret

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May 2, 2021 20:16:01   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
DaveO wrote:
Talk with some of the survivors and pick out 2 percent of family or friends and ignore the costs and other complications.


You are still missing the point. If the vaccine is so effective why haven't the restrictions been lifted for vaccinated people? Why do I have to mask up outside in a busy place.

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May 2, 2021 20:23:49   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
boberic wrote:
You are still missing the point. If the vaccine is so effective why haven't the restrictions been lifted for vaccinated people? Why do I have to mask up outside in a busy place.


You're the one missing the point. Vaccines are not 100 percent effective. Also, you can be a carrier and not have symptoms.

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May 2, 2021 20:44:45   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The vaccine for the Chinese killer virus moderates its effect for those individuals who have received the vaccine.
DaveO wrote:
You're the one missing the point. Vaccines are not 100 percent effective. Also, you can be a carrier and not have symptoms.

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May 2, 2021 21:57:36   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
DaveO wrote:
You're the one missing the point. Vaccines are not 100 percent effective. Also, you can be a carrier and not have symptoms.


So the restrictions will never be lifted? The likely hood of anyone under 65 dying from the virus has always been less than 1 %. for those under 65. And BTW the vaccines were supposed to prevent transmission

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May 2, 2021 22:15:21   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
boberic wrote:
Official Gov't stats. Just look it up. It's not a secret


That sort of excuse wouldn't be accepted in high school. Surely you learned better in high school, or did you?
Oh, BTW...which government??

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May 2, 2021 22:22:31   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
boberic wrote:
So the restrictions will never be lifted? The likely hood of anyone under 65 dying from the virus has always been less than 1 %. for those under 65. And BTW the vaccines were supposed to prevent transmission


C'mon, Bo, you are not THAT thick, are you? Barriers, masks and distancing can prevent transmission. A vaccine that works inside your body simply cannot influence person-to-person transmission. No vaccine ever created, or ever to be created, prevents transmission. It only works inside your body and has no impact/effect on what goes on outside your body. The only connection to what you are implying -- and it is a weak connection at that -- is that to be "infective" a person might need a certain titre of virus inside the body, and perhaps a vaccinated person's immune system can prevent the virus from replicating to that "infectious" level. If that is what you are implying then say so; don't phrase statements in ways that can be misinterpreted.

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May 2, 2021 22:47:15   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Sorry. This is not a proper citation. Where did you find the source of your assertion "about 30 million cases...." Please cite a verifiable source.


Is the CDC a good enough sourcefor you? Check out the CDC numbers

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May 2, 2021 23:12:02   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
boberic wrote:
Is the CDC a good enough sourcefor you? Check out the CDC numbers


And once again: it is at the least common courtesy to furnish a source citation. Otherwise how is your reader to know that you aren't just pulling stuff out of..... You surely can fill in the rest.

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May 3, 2021 00:10:25   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
boberic wrote:
The recomendations regarding masks and maintaining distances have not changed. Both Fauci and Biden have not issued new guidlines as a result of getting a vaccination. So why bother to get the shot?


An apparent Anti-Vaccination-aligned question.
Historically, vaccines have probably saved more lives than are now alive on the planet.

Of course if people do not believe in medicine, mathematics (statistics), and most other sciences, that is a personal choice. The result may be a Darwinian ‘thinning of the herd’ process.

If a person goes to the extreme of preventing their children from getting vaccinated and the child gets sick or dies, how would/will the parent feel? Serves them right for being mentally deficient. Sorry about the children affected through no fault of their own—especially if the demise is/was preventable.

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May 3, 2021 01:15:11   #
Tex-s
 
sb wrote:
I think you are wrong. Fauci has been advising that fully vaccinated people can feel safer indoors when around other fully vaccinated people.


If the vaccines "work" vaccinated people should feel safe kissing the expectorate of Covid patients, and as so amply noted for masking, the second purpose of vaccination is to assure that no one can contribute to asymptomatic spread. Then there are those who are being told by our physicians to NOT get the vaccine, particularly any made with RNA. Don't even get me going on the potential for RNA vaccines to deliver more code than advertised.

For me, I still test positive for a high quantity of the Covid antibodies, and my primary suggests that there is simply no benefit and a greatly elevated risk of complications if I introduce the activity of the vaccine into what is most likely and already-immune body. Then there is the simple truth that neither my primary nor myself trust the government in general, and particularly distrust a government pushing vaccines that are enriching the supposedly evil big pharma conglomerates.

For my wife, she is being advised to avoid vaccination for the reasons I have been, but also because she has been battling a condition currently diagnosed as "cyclic vomiting syndrome" for over a year, and the condition, for her at least, seems to be triggered by almost any random form of systemic stress. The pattern is stress , stomach tightness, more stress, more pain more stress, etc, followed by uncontrolled vomiting that leads to an ER visit. 17 trips, two surgeries and 5 other hospital admissions since March 2020, though none in the last 8 weeks. Her doctors, including primary and several specialists, have advised her that, having already had and recovered from Covid, there exists far greater opportunity for triggering her vomiting condition with a vaccine than with another Covid bout, which, oddly, did not trigger a vomiting episode.

Now, adding to the facts that both of us had and beat Covid, still possess antibodies, are being told by medical professionals to NOT vaccinate at this time, big pharma and many of the most vocal have a monetary interest in the vaccine, and the vaccinated receive exactly no benefit in the form of eased restrictions, I have to suggest that there IS a question as to why rational people, especially young and/or healthy folks would vaccinate.

And FYI, Bill Gates, in his TED talk from 2010, actually said 'vaccines' and 'population reduction' in the same sentence. I think I believe him. https://youtu.be/JaF-fq2Zn7I?t=272

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