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May 3, 2021 01:35:38   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
boberic wrote:
So the restrictions will never be lifted? The likely hood of anyone under 65 dying from the v***s has always been less than 1 %. for those under 65. And BTW the v*****es were supposed to prevent t***smission



No the v*****es were not suppose to stop t***smission. The v*****es were to keep one from getting sick and dying . No claims were ever made saying the v*****e kept you from getting the v***s .

There was hope that would be but no claims

You are wrong.

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May 3, 2021 04:59:29   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
boberic wrote:
So the restrictions will never be lifted? The likely hood of anyone under 65 dying from the v***s has always been less than 1 %. for those under 65. And BTW the v*****es were supposed to prevent t***smission


Who stated that the restrictions should never be lifted? Who stated v*****es were supposed to prevent t***smission? Are you also suggesting that infection rates will not increase if CDC recommendations are not followed and the low percentage of mortality rates are no big deal?

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May 3, 2021 05:27:36   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto.
GeorgeH wrote:
And once again: it is at the least common courtesy to furnish a source citation. Otherwise how is your reader to know that you aren't just pulling stuff out of..... You surely can fill in the rest.

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May 3, 2021 07:29:08   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Tex-s wrote:
If the v*****es "work" v******ted people should feel safe kissing the expectorate of C***d patients, and as so amply noted for masking, the second purpose of v******tion is to assure that no one can contribute to asymptomatic spread. Then there are those who are being told by our physicians to NOT get the v*****e, particularly any made with RNA. Don't even get me going on the potential for RNA v*****es to deliver more code than advertised.

For me, I still test positive for a high quantity of the C***d antibodies, and my primary suggests that there is simply no benefit and a greatly elevated risk of complications if I introduce the activity of the v*****e into what is most likely and already-immune body. Then there is the simple t***h that neither my primary nor myself trust the government in general, and particularly distrust a government pushing v*****es that are enriching the supposedly evil big pharma conglomerates.

For my wife, she is being advised to avoid v******tion for the reasons I have been, but also because she has been battling a condition currently diagnosed as "cyclic vomiting syndrome" for over a year, and the condition, for her at least, seems to be triggered by almost any random form of systemic stress. The pattern is stress , stomach tightness, more stress, more pain more stress, etc, followed by uncontrolled vomiting that leads to an ER visit. 17 trips, two surgeries and 5 other hospital admissions since March 2020, though none in the last 8 weeks. Her doctors, including primary and several specialists, have advised her that, having already had and recovered from C***d, there exists far greater opportunity for triggering her vomiting condition with a v*****e than with another C***d bout, which, oddly, did not trigger a vomiting episode.

Now, adding to the facts that both of us had and beat C***d, still possess antibodies, are being told by medical professionals to NOT v******te at this time, big pharma and many of the most vocal have a monetary interest in the v*****e, and the v******ted receive exactly no benefit in the form of eased restrictions, I have to suggest that there IS a question as to why rational people, especially young and/or healthy folks would v******te.

And FYI, Bill Gates, in his TED talk from 2010, actually said 'v*****es' and 'population reduction' in the same sentence. I think I believe him. https://youtu.be/JaF-fq2Zn7I?t=272
If the v*****es "work" v******ted peopl... (show quote)

There are some people who should not get v******ted... and you and your wife seem to qualify. Hopefully you understand that you are "exceptional" -- as in "not the average healthy American" -- so you should not use your personal cases as an argument for how to treat the majority of the population.

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May 3, 2021 13:05:31   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
DaveO wrote:
Who stated that the restrictions should never be lifted? Who stated v*****es were supposed to prevent t***smission? Are you also suggesting that infection rates will not increase if CDC recommendations are not followed and the low percentage of mortality rates are no big deal?


Here is my last word on this thread. According to CDC numbers. the mortality rate from c***d is less than 2%. And the rate for those under 65 the rate is less than 1%. And for those over 85 less than 5%. So, the disease is most dangerous for those over 65. So for the vast number of Americans the c***d mortality rate was close to the seasonal flu. And for that group the lockdowns, masking and any restriction was much more destructive than c***d, and the :cure was worse than the disease. For those over 65, every precaution was necessary. Self quarantine, age ID or anything else. The record setting v*****e development and it's distribution was required and those over 65 should come first, as well as those with co-mortalities of any age. Examples of how the v***s should have been handled are Fla and Tx. Either have had very few restrictions with little, if any. negative results.Yes C***d ** has been a very serious problem, but it was met with a very serioius overeaction. And anyone over 65 who does not get v******ted is courting a disaster.

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May 3, 2021 13:12:42   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
boberic wrote:
Here is my last word on this thread. According to CDC numbers. the mortality rate from c***d is less than 2%. And the rate for those under 65 the rate is less than 1%. And for those over 85 less than 5%. So, the disease is most dangerous for those over 65. So for the vast number of Americans the c***d mortality rate was close to the seasonal flu. And for that group the lockdowns, masking and any restriction was much more destructive than c***d, and the :cure was worse than the disease. For those over 65, every precaution was necessary. Self quarantine, age ID or anything else. The record setting v*****e development and it's distribution was required and those over 65 should come first, as well as those with co-mortalities of any age. Examples of how the v***s should have been handled are Fla and Tx. Either have had very few restrictions with little, if any. negative results.Yes C***d ** has been a very serious problem, but it was met with a very serioius overeaction. And anyone over 65 who does not get v******ted is courting a disaster.
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Less of a reaction would have resulted in more sickness and deaths, young and old. And a greater hit on the economy. Something is wrong with you. India.

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May 3, 2021 13:47:06   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Agree: "Yes C***d ** has been a very serious problem, but it was met with a very serioius overeaction."

I lay the various missteps at the feet of the politicians who flubbed the p******c response. For example, we did not need a wholesale shutdown of selected businesses in the U.S.
boberic wrote:
Here is my last word on this thread. According to CDC numbers. the mortality rate from c***d is less than 2%. And the rate for those under 65 the rate is less than 1%. And for those over 85 less than 5%. So, the disease is most dangerous for those over 65. So for the vast number of Americans the c***d mortality rate was close to the seasonal flu. And for that group the lockdowns, masking and any restriction was much more destructive than c***d, and the :cure was worse than the disease. For those over 65, every precaution was necessary. Self quarantine, age ID or anything else. The record setting v*****e development and it's distribution was required and those over 65 should come first, as well as those with co-mortalities of any age. Examples of how the v***s should have been handled are Fla and Tx. Either have had very few restrictions with little, if any. negative results.Yes C***d ** has been a very serious problem, but it was met with a very serioius overeaction. And anyone over 65 who does not get v******ted is courting a disaster.
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