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Apr 27, 2021 09:53:47   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
bob7fred wrote:
I like the way theories become absolutes.


Then you do not understand science.

Theories are not "absolutes" - ever. They are merely the most accepted version of reality (or the explanation thereof) that can be altered when new experimental data disproves them. That's it. It's not rocket science (as it were) - it is a way of rational thinking and processing data.

As already mentioned, both Quantum and Relativity theories have been shown to be accurate to many decimal places of precision. But if tomorrow some physicist in east Podunk creates a theory of light travel that incorporates dark matter and can be experimentally proven to 20 decimal places of precision by various independent scientists around the world (and perhaps even on Mars!) then Einstein will go down.

But no matter what, in the world of science, the word "theory" has a specific meaning. THis is also why the creationists who like to bray that "evolutionary theory" is "just a theory" are clueless as to what that term means in the scientific realm.

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Apr 27, 2021 10:29:45   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
E=MC squared

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Apr 27, 2021 10:44:26   #
Dannj
 
Bob Smith wrote:
E=MC squared


Is that M x Csquared ?

or

Is it (M x C) squared ?

I’ve never gotten the hang of it🥴

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Apr 27, 2021 10:57:57   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Yes, it is frustrating, but scientifically and mathematically, it is impossible.

There is something that can exceed the speed of light. Take a guess - I'll post the answer later (if I remember to come back here)

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Apr 27, 2021 11:05:34   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Dannj wrote:
Is that M x Csquared ?

or

Is it (M x C) squared ?

I’ve never gotten the hang of it🥴


The first one. The speed of light squared, which turns out to be a pretty big number. : )

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Apr 27, 2021 11:21:19   #
Dannj
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The first one. The speed of light squared, which turns out to be a pretty big number. : )


Too big for my calculator🤪

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Apr 27, 2021 11:21:29   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Yes, it is frustrating, but scientifically and mathematically, it is impossible.

There is something that can exceed the speed of light. Take a guess - I'll post the answer later (if I remember to come back here)


You might be referring to tachyons.

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Apr 27, 2021 11:24:24   #
Dannj
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Yes, it is frustrating, but scientifically and mathematically, it is impossible.

There is something that can exceed the speed of light. Take a guess - I'll post the answer later (if I remember to come back here)


The time it takes for my wife to remind me that I haven’t _________
(fill in the blank).

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Apr 27, 2021 11:52:39   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
I approached the speed of light when I ran from my Better Half when she found out that I had bought more camera gear. I may not have ran faster yet I was darn close to it..!

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Apr 27, 2021 12:19:32   #
calfilm Loc: Southern California
 
If you are flying a rocket ship faster than the speed of light what happens when you turn on
the headlights ?

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Apr 27, 2021 12:33:02   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
calfilm wrote:
If you are flying a rocket ship faster than the speed of light what happens when you turn on
the headlights ?


Well, as you no doubt know, you cannot fly "faster" than the speed of light - but if you had a ship that could fly at 99% light speed and turned on the headlights, the photons from those would still not exceed the speed of light.

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Apr 27, 2021 12:44:18   #
Schoee Loc: Europe
 
Wallen wrote:
That do not make sense to me as it is against the laws of matter & energy conservation.
Besides, electrons & photons i believe do not increase or decrease in mass as they change speed.
Then there are also those who believe that light from the stars at the edge of the big bang would never reach the earth. Which can only happen if the earth and that star are moving away from each other at a speed faster than light. Or maybe they are so far the earth is already gone by the time they reach the earth's location.

But i'm not deep into those so most probably i'm wrong.
That do not make sense to me as it is against the ... (show quote)


It is not against the laws of physics. It is just that for most situations we use an approximation that assumes mass is constant and so forth. This works fine for throwing a ball or even supersonic jets but for really high speeds you need to use the more complicated theory. Speeds such as that achieved by particles in the large hadron collider are an example. Your everyday classical physics does not work then.

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Apr 27, 2021 12:52:55   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
... The speed of light squared, which turns out to be a pretty big number. : )


The speed of light squared is only a big number in the units you normally use to measure speed. The speed of light is 1 in units of the speed of light. Just like the length of a year is a large number if expressed in seconds, but not a large number when expressed in years. And it could be a small number when expressed in millenia or geological eons.

I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine one furlong per fortnight in terms of miles per hour or cm per second. And while you're about it, what is one mile per gallon in units of inverse acres?

As far as the speed of light being a constant, it wasn't until 1905, when Einstein proposed a theory in which the speed of light was a constant. Since the theory has been experimentally verified, it is taken as an absolute, but in Science, that will only be an absolute until a new theory comes along that explains things that Einstein's theory can't.

In Science, theories are only good until Experiments disprove them.

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Apr 27, 2021 13:14:36   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Yes, it is frustrating, but scientifically and mathematically, it is impossible.

There is something that can exceed the speed of light. Take a guess - I'll post the answer later (if I remember to come back here)


Space itself is expanding faster than the speed of light.

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Apr 27, 2021 13:26:16   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
Schoee wrote:
It is not against the laws of physics. It is just that for most situations we use an approximation that assumes mass is constant and so forth. This works fine for throwing a ball or even supersonic jets but for really high speeds you need to use the more complicated theory. Speeds such as that achieved by particles in the large hadron collider are an example. Your everyday classical physics does not work then.


Not only is it not against the laws of physics, it is the law of physics.

The thing is, what we all learned in school is classical (Newtonian) physics, which, as you point out works for the speeds we can comprehend from daily experience. But as I said earlier, one of the proofs that relativity theory is correct was taking two atomic clocks with identical time, putting one on a supersonic jet that circumnavigated the planet, and noting the time differential was what relativity equations predicted (tiny fractions of a second, to be sure, but Mach 1 is not all that fast all things considered). That is how science works - you predict something and do an experiment to see if what you predicted happened.

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