How did Floyd die? Why no bruising ?? (Page 2): That does not matter. This is the DA's prerogative. The manslaughter charge was added after by the DA to give the jury an option of...

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

letmedance wrote:

Did any of know that Chauvin wanted to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder but was denied the plea by the DA?

That does not matter. This is the DA's prerogative. The manslaughter charge was added after by the DA to give the jury an option of convicting only to a lesser charge if they sought it appropriate.

Pleading to a lesser charge is not a "right" of a defendant. Otherwise, Chauvin could have pleaded guilty of jaywalking and just paid a fine.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

He is guilty no doubt but after reading other accounts I don’t think Chauvin was kneeling on his neck.

CWGordon

A DA sometimes needs to put on a case so that the facts can be brought out and placed before all of the public. As well, anything else would look like a cover up.
In demonstrating the facts one hopes to keep silly responses liike many hereinabove from being made. Here there was no success. Some people on this site would have supported the cop if he had finished off Floyd with a gunshot to the head. The case was actually one of the most simple cases to prosecute for murder I have ever seen. The ENTIRE case could be boiled down to 9 and a half minutes. It was all recorded. Anyone who doesn’t understand why this was a clear-cut murder, just plain doesn’t want to understand. No amount of explanation would ever change their closed minds.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

soba1 wrote:

He is guilty no doubt but after reading other accounts I don’t think Chauvin was kneeling on his neck.

Then what exaxtly is Chauvin guilty of? And why should we not believe our own eyes?

Note that "Chauvin was not kneeling on Floyd's neck" was not a defense argued at trial.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Bazbo wrote:

Then what exaxtly is Chauvin guilty of? And why should we not believe our own eyes?

Note that "Chauvin was not kneeling on Floyd's neck" was not a defense argued at trial.

He is responsible as Floyd was in his custody.
Maybe he should have been charged with second or third degree murder.
The point is did he intend to kill Floyd, that’s all I’m saying.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

I watched a little of the trial and what seemed to be the clincher was that Chauvin stayed on him, I think it could have been almost two minutes after he was dead. Chauvin didn't have to hold him down at all. Just leave him in the street handcuffed till he went to sleep on his own. Intent or stupidity that is the question.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Fotoartist wrote:

I watched a little of the trial and what seemed to be the clincher was that Chauvin stayed on him, I think it could have been almost two minutes after he was dead. Chauvin didn't have to hold him down at all. Just leave him in the street handcuffed till he went to sleep on his own. Intent or stupidity that is the question.

I couldn’t have said it better

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

soba1 wrote:

He is responsible as Floyd was in his custody.
Maybe he should have been charged with second or third degree murder.
The point is did he intend to kill Floyd, that’s all I’m saying.

He was found guilty of 2nd degree murder. The charge and the conviction were appropriate.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Bazbo wrote:

He was found guilty of 2nd degree murder. The charge and the conviction were appropriate.

Leo_B Loc: Houston suburb

Harry0 wrote:

You don't really bruise after you are dead.

Bruising often does not show up for 12-36 hours after death.

Leo_B Loc: Houston suburb

Beyond reasonable doubt. If there was no reasonable doubt there would not have been 3 separate and conflicting levels of charges. They would have said he did this specifically and therefore should be punished. The case went through to the desired outcome. That doesn't necessarily mean to a just outcome.

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

Starting on the day after videos of Floyds arrest and hand-cuffing started being seen. This was before Chauvin showed up. My Q has always been how and why did Floyd get on the ground. Being over 6 feet tall and over 200 lbs, it would be a royal chore for the smaller officers to get him in a squad car. Why didn’t they call for transport help. Might Floyd be down for physical reasons and needed medical assistance. About drugs in his system: the day after signs of fentanyl and its metabolism product were found - wish I had wrote down what I heard. This would mean his ingestion of fentanyl was the day before.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

soba1 wrote:

He is responsible as Floyd was in his custody.
Maybe he should have been charged with second or third degree murder.
The point is did he intend to kill Floyd, that’s all I’m saying.

What are you under the impression he was charged with?

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Leo_B wrote:

Beyond reasonable doubt. If there was no reasonable doubt there would not have been 3 separate and conflicting levels of charges. They would have said he did this specifically and therefore should be punished. The case went through to the desired outcome. That doesn't necessarily mean to a just outcome.

They were not conflicting levels of charges. See my prior explanation.

The jury resolved the reasonable doubt issue. It makes no difference whatsoever what either of us think.

Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL

letmedance wrote:

Did any of know that Chauvin wanted to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder but was denied the plea by the DA?

He had to make a big show trial to appease the radicals who threatened to burn down the city if he was acquitted and to assure their vote in the next erlection.