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Apr 15, 2021 14:21:30   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"...it appears daylight flash is rarely used..." Mark it has oft been said that the difference between an enthusiast photographer and a commercial shooter is mastery of flash... I honestly don't know any commercial wedding and/or portrait photographers who don't use speedlights (or speedlites for canon shooters). Virtually all deploy speedlights in these scenarios.

That said many will rely on an assistant to position the flash remotely... In fact I assist a wedding shooter who has me hold her speedlite with small softbox on a short boom arm while she captures wedding reception imagery.

As for on camera? Yes I use this with a speedlight pointed up to bounce either off a ceiling or sans a ceiling with an attached 5x7 inch reflector. Works great especial with my Nikon kit which allows me nuanced fine control between ambient and flash.

In fact for strong back-lighting scenarios I actually use my camera's built in flash which I throttle back about -0.7 to -1.3 stops. This provides stellar catch lights in the talents eyes and illuminates those pesky eye socket shadows. See example below.

Mark at the end of the day flash is merely another tool in one's kit, albeit a very complex and challenging one to deploy with finesse. So easy to take flat lifeless portraiture with same however it can be (and is) an effective tool which takes considerable time and practice to master. Best advice? Get a cosmetology hair mannequin, place it on a light stand outside and invest some quality time practicing with your kit. Shoe mounted flash units have a myriad of modifiers, find ones that work best for your visual statement.

Hope this helps Mark.
All the best on your photographic journey.
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Apr 15, 2021 14:43:44   #
Chan Garrett
 
jerryc41 wrote:
If I need a flash, I generally use the built-in. I would avoid buying a camera without one - like Nikon's replacement for my D750.


A built in flash is the worst kind of flash. It is why people hate flash. Not only does it produce flat lighting, but being a very small light source, it produces harsh shadows. Why do advanced cameras intended for professionals seldom, if ever, have a built in flash? Because a professional would seldom, if ever, use one.

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Apr 15, 2021 14:51:46   #
DanCal Loc: Southern California
 
Fill Flash is very effective when photographing people in outside situations. 95% of my photography revolves around human subjects. I would say at least 75 % of these photos have some sort of flash weather on camera or off.

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Apr 15, 2021 15:15:45   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
If flash is "the main thing," I use a CBJR bracket that provides a foot or so of separation and keeps the flash over the lens in either orientation, which gets rid of shadows behind the subject and almost all red-eye. The bracket plus a diffusion dome allow for quite nice lighting of almost any subject at almost any reasonable distance. When I am using balanced fill flash outdoors, I have found that very few of the usual concerns and worries about on-axis (or near on-axis) flash actually create a problem.

For one thing, when shooting people outside, their pupils are almost always constricted. This is because even when they are in the shade, they are looking out into a bright area. I don't ever recall having a redeye problem with fill flash outside, and I always use a hot shoe mounted flash for that. Second, If I am using fill flash, it is usually to correct for light creating awkward shadows because it is coming from an unusual angle. Light coming from somewhere close to the camera is just what is needed to soften those shadows, most of the time.

The other thing I have learned when using fill flash outside is to back off on the ISO, and disable Auto ISO if you use it. The worst thing that can happen in a situation where you are wanting to use fill lighting is to be set at an ISO (or have the camera select an ISO for you) that is so high that the flash doesn't fire or else just "winks" weakly. If you are wanting fill, you need for there to be some fill, so adjust to allow it to occur.

As an aside, when I was volunteering at the local arboretum a few years ago, one of the most entertaining things I watched was photographers who would point their flashes straight overhead for fill. No reflector, no dome, no nothing. Just the air that we were breathing. It was really pretty funny...not sure how there photographs turned out.

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Apr 15, 2021 15:34:19   #
Craigdca Loc: California
 
larryepage wrote:
If flash is "the main thing," I use a CBJR bracket that provides a foot or so of separation and keeps the flash over the lens in either orientation, which gets rid of shadows behind the subject and almost all red-eye. The bracket plus a diffusion dome allow for quite nice lighting of almost any subject at almost any reasonable distance. When I am using balanced fill flash outdoors, I have found that very few of the usual concerns and worries about on-axis (or near on-axis) flash actually create a problem.

For one thing, when shooting people outside, their pupils are almost always constricted. This is because even when they are in the shade, they are looking out into a bright area. I don't ever recall having a redeye problem with fill flash outside, and I always use a hot shoe mounted flash for that. Second, If I am using fill flash, it is usually to correct for light creating awkward shadows because it is coming from an unusual angle. Light coming from somewhere close to the camera is just what is needed to soften those shadows, most of the time.

The other thing I have learned when usign fill flash outside is to back off on the ISO, and disable Auto ISO if you use it. The worst thing that can happen in a situation where you are wanting to use fill lighting is to be set at an ISO (or have the camera select an ISO for you) that is so high that the flash doesn't fire or else just "winks" weakly. If you are wanting fill, you need for there to be some fill, so adjust to allow it to occur.

As an aside, when I was volunteering at the local arboretum a few years ago, one of the most entertaining things I watched was photographers who would point their flashes straight overhead for fill. No reflector, no dome, no nothing. Just the air that we were breathing. It was really pretty funny...not sure how there photographs turned out.
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Thanks for your tips for avoiding red eye.

It’s also amusing to see someone take flash photos of a movie.

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Apr 15, 2021 17:27:15   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
wide2tele wrote:
Maybe I'm just missing the topics but it appears daylight flash is rarely used.
How many people go out with a hot shoe mounted flash attached to their camera in daylight?
Why do you or why do you not?


For humming birds and some macro shots I use my hot shoe mounted flash.
The power ratio settings really make the difference.

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Apr 15, 2021 17:44:59   #
User ID
 
wide2tele wrote:
Depends on the experience of the photographer. An experienced photographer will still pick if flash was used majority of the time.

Fill is easy to detect. The photo taken in conditions that need fill, but suffering no ill effect from such conditions, is a photo made with fill light.

Those NOT able to instinctively recognize such conditions, at a glance, are those who will say you can’t always identify a fill flash shot.

It’s not a nuanced issue. You never get any good looking shots in bad conditions unless you impose a fix for it. If the bad condition is bad light, the only fix is to impose some good light. If not flash, the good light can be a reflector.

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Apr 15, 2021 17:55:20   #
k2edm Loc: FN32AD
 
Craigdca wrote:
Thanks for your tips for avoiding red eye.

It’s also amusing to see someone take flash photos of a movie.





Or see the flashes go off in a football stadium

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Apr 15, 2021 18:51:43   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
On-camera flash oftentimes gets an undeserved bad rap. So, yesterday, I decided to write one of my "too lengthy" epic tutorials about on-camera flash main light and fill techniques because I feel that many folks, that are otherwise savvy shooters, have never studied, learned, mastered some of the simple but very effective flash techniques that can yield excellent and natural results void of all the usual preconceived or misconceived bad aspects of flash usage.

So, yesterday, on or about the 5th paragraph, the computer crashed and the hard drive had to be replaced! I spent most of the day reconfiguring the repaired computer. I started to regenerate the project and on the 4th paragraph, the entire system dumped- unsaved and gone off to oblivion. Lots of cussing in 3 different languages ensued! I fixed the issue!

The spirits, the photography gods or the universe does not want me to write about this topic. Too bad! After over half a century of the press, weddigs, and certain kinds of shooting that has to be done singlehandedly, quickly, and where the is no time, space or circumstances that would accommodate a more sophisticated and complex lighting system, I have some old "tricks of the trade" that can enable some aesthetically pleasing results with a single Speedlight or strobe lamphead mounted on the camera.

I'm afraid to start the post again- perhaps this time the computer will cause a short circuit and burn the house down! If anyone is really interested, I will be encouraged.

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Apr 15, 2021 18:54:26   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
I frequently use an on-camera, external flash when photographing outside. I use them for flower shots, portraits, and sometimes (very infrequently) landscapes where I want to highlight something in the foreground. I will use them in snowstorms (at a slow shutter speed) to highlight the falling snow.

I use YN460 flashes; they are adjustable (and extremely affordable). I will usually shoot at 1/8 to 1/32 power. That little kiss of light will improve a photograph. In closeup photography, I can shoot at f/16 or smaller and have a nicely exposed subject and a very dark background.

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Apr 15, 2021 20:32:41   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
wide2tele wrote:
Maybe I'm just missing the topics but it appears daylight flash is rarely used.
How many people go out with a hot shoe mounted flash attached to their camera in daylight?
Why do you or why do you not?


I carry my SB 400 with me even outside and use it when a little fill light is needed. Brightens up what could be a rather drab scene and also removes unwanted shadows. Very quick to attach and remove.

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Apr 15, 2021 21:04:14   #
User ID
 
Probably a 283 and small white bounce card on a small Nikon with a 28-70/4.0 ... cuz I was 3 hours from home base by Amtrak, and I know that would be my compact kit at the time for PR stuff in NYC when traveling by train. This is an off hours personal snap, not the PR job, but the job dictated the gear.

Background sunlit but no sun on the subjects. I always like the 283 (or 285) cuz it’s easier to hit the lighting ratio than with the Nikon flashes (which are always TTL auto flash). I would estimate this to be shot at f/8 with the 283 set for f/4. I usually used that 4:1 ratio.
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Apr 15, 2021 21:18:26   #
Craigdca Loc: California
 
User ID wrote:
Probably a 283 and small white bounce card on a small Nikon with a 28-70/4.0 ... cuz I was 3 hours from home base by Amtrak, and I know that would be my compact kit at the time for PR stuff in NYC when traveling by train. This is an off hours personal snap, not the PR job, but the job dictated the gear.

Background sunlit but no sun on the subjects. I always like the 283 (or 285) cuz it’s easier to hit the lighting ratio than with the Nikon flashes (which are always TTL auto flash). I would estimate this to be shot at f/8 with the 283 set for f/4. I usually used that 4:1 ratio.
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The 4:1 ratio seems to work here. Thanks for mentioning it.

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Apr 16, 2021 08:14:19   #
Bison Bud
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
On-camera flash oftentimes gets an undeserved bad rap. So, yesterday, I decided to write one of my "too lengthy" epic tutorials about on-camera flash main light and fill techniques because I feel that many folks, that are otherwise savvy shooters, have never studied, learned, mastered some of the simple but very effective flash techniques that can yield excellent and natural results void of all the usual preconceived or misconceived bad aspects of flash usage.

So, yesterday, on or about the 5th paragraph, the computer crashed and the hard drive had to be replaced! I spent most of the day reconfiguring the repaired computer. I started to regenerate the project and on the 4th paragraph, the entire system dumped- unsaved and gone off to oblivion. Lots of cussing in 3 different languages ensued! I fixed the issue!

The spirits, the photography gods or the universe does not want me to write about this topic. Too bad! After over half a century of the press, weddigs, and certain kinds of shooting that has to be done singlehandedly, quickly, and where the is no time, space or circumstances that would accommodate a more sophisticated and complex lighting system, I have some old "tricks of the trade" that can enable some aesthetically pleasing results with a single Speedlight or strobe lamphead mounted on the camera.

I'm afraid to start the post again- perhaps this time the computer will cause a short circuit and burn the house down! If anyone is really interested, I will be encouraged.
On-camera flash oftentimes gets an undeserved bad ... (show quote)


Sorry about your computer luck, but I'd be really interested in tips for on camera or hot shoe flash. Frankly, I use the built in flash on my Pentax K3 quite a bit and have enough control to get some decent shots with it. The attached flower (Dalhia) photo was taken at a local Mall flower show, using the built in flash to do low key photography and I'm happy with the results. I also own a hot shoe flash that sees some use, but do not have remote firing capabilities. So, tips for on camera flash use would be interesting and appreciated, but don't let me be the cause of more computer problems.


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Apr 16, 2021 15:52:46   #
pdsilen Loc: Roswell, New Mexico
 
I only use my built-in flash when I'm shooting for a client who isn't looking for high quality and only needs multiple photos for the desired subject(s). And turnaround time is of the essence.

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