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Apr 15, 2021 10:34:55   #
Wrongway Loc: Hewitt Texas
 
Exactly my point all because it is there doesn’t mean you have to use it

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Apr 15, 2021 10:37:03   #
TreborLow
 
I also have a K-3 (not II) with built in flash. Lately been using it with a spring frame diffuser right on my macro lens for super closeups. Can hand hold and the flash stops movement of flowers and bugs. While I might consider a camera without a built-in flash, I really do like it.

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Apr 15, 2021 10:39:30   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Fill flash with exposure compensation is very useful outdoors, taking into consideration such things as subject distance and dynamic range of natural lighting along with desired outcome.

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Apr 15, 2021 10:43:17   #
Kozan Loc: Trenton Tennessee
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Using flash in daylight the flash has to be powerful and built in flash isn't powerful enough.


I disagree. Daylight flash does not have to be powerful at all if you are just trying to fill in shadows. Many times I have used flash in the daylight at -2 or -3 EV. That's just enough to lighten the subject so that it looks good.
There's a big difference in the quality of the image with daylight flash. I almost always use it.

The trick to using daylight flash is to use it so that it doesn't look like you used flash. If you do that you will have a great photo. It's like makeup on a woman. If you notice it, there's too much.

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Apr 15, 2021 10:51:02   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
wide2tele wrote:
Maybe I'm just missing the topics but it appears daylight flash is rarely used.
How many people go out with a hot shoe mounted flash attached to their camera in daylight?
Why do you or why do you not?


It is rare to use a flash outside except for fill in when needed. About the only time I use one is if I'm shooting flowers or something in the shadows I'll use the on camera flash the built-in for fill in. And on a bright day in the shadows it's just enough for fill in.

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Apr 15, 2021 10:54:46   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Kozan wrote:
I disagree. Daylight flash does not have to be powerful at all if you are just trying to fill in shadows. Many times I have used flash in the daylight at -2 or -3 EV. That's just enough to lighten the subject so that it looks good.
There's a big difference in the quality of the image with daylight flash. I almost always use it.

The trick to using daylight flash is to use it so that it doesn't look like you used flash. If you do that you will have a great photo. It's like makeup on a woman. If you notice it, there's too much.
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"The trick to using daylight flash is to use it so that it doesn't look like you used flash."

Duh!

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Apr 15, 2021 11:32:00   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
wide2tele wrote:
Maybe I'm just missing the topics but it appears daylight flash is rarely used.
How many people go out with a hot shoe mounted flash attached to their camera in daylight?
Why do you or why do you not?


Sometimes it's a very useful tool when shooting into the sun. It can make a portrait much better. I've used it during wedding photography.

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Apr 15, 2021 12:13:06   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
Here are a couple of OOC shots taken (my 3 daughters) with a Nikon D850 and Nikon SB-800 Speedlight used as a fill flash in shadows of pine trees in bright sunlight. Location was Big Bear Lake, CA about 2 weeks ago. The D850 has no built in flash. I also have SB-5000 speedlights with radio controls for off camera use and a pocket sized Nikon SB-400 speedlight for quick fill in a pinch.


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Apr 15, 2021 12:48:01   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
JimmyTB wrote:
I may have missed it but I didn't see anyone mention high-speed sync which I don't believe you can do with the popup flash. Silverman posted a question about that on Nov. 20, 2017 and several posts down GoofyNewfie posted an excellent example of using it outdoors for portraits. I'm lousy at portraits so I won't post any of my examples here, but I do have a couple of close-up flowers using HSS. Didn't quite nail the focus but here they are and I think you can see how HSS outdoors can be helpful in separating the background. GoofyNewfie's example shows how you can use it for fill and still be able to use a wide aperture.
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Thanks. In the future, use a link.
They can be really helpful.
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-497975-1.html#8396280
Below is another example off-camera flash using high-speed sync (1/500th at f/4)

Below that, on-camera flash (Godox V1)

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Apr 15, 2021 12:57:07   #
srg
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"...it appears daylight flash is rarely used..." Mark it has oft been said that the difference between an enthusiast photographer and a commercial shooter is mastery of flash... I honestly don't know any commercial wedding and/or portrait photographers who don't use speedlights (or speedlites for canon shooters). Virtually all deploy speedlights in these scenarios.

That said many will rely on an assistant to position the flash remotely... In fact I assist a wedding shooter who has me hold her speedlite with small softbox on a short boom arm while she captures wedding reception imagery.

As for on camera? Yes I use this with a speedlight pointed up to bounce either off a ceiling or sans a ceiling with an attached 5x7 inch reflector. Works great especial with my Nikon kit which allows me nuanced fine control between ambient and flash.

In fact for strong back-lighting scenarios I actually use my camera's built in flash which I throttle back about -0.7 to -1.3 stops. This provides stellar catch lights in the talents eyes and illuminates those pesky eye socket shadows. See example below.

Mark at the end of the day flash is merely another tool in one's kit, albeit a very complex and challenging one to deploy with finesse. So easy to take flat lifeless portraiture with same however it can be (and is) an effective tool which takes considerable time and practice to master. Best advice? Get a cosmetology hair mannequin, place it on a light stand outside and invest some quality time practicing with your kit. Shoe mounted flash units have a myriad of modifiers, find ones that work best for your visual statement.

Hope this helps Mark.
All the best on your photographic journey.
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That is a great portrait photo.

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Apr 15, 2021 13:04:00   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
wide2tele wrote:
Maybe I'm just missing the topics but it appears daylight flash is rarely used.
How many people go out with a hot shoe mounted flash attached to their camera in daylight?
Why do you or why do you not?


I use flash out in daylight far more often than in dark situations... mostly because I usually stop shooting when it's dark! But also because fill flash during midday on sunny, clear days can be very helpful eliminating deep shadows. It also can be essential for backlit situations. For example:



You ask about "On-Camera" flash... Just to clarify:

1. I virtually never use any camera's "built in" flash (I don't think you're referring to that, but someone might read it that way). Built-ins are quite weak, located in the worst possible place for redeye and ugly shadows, slow to recycle and draw heavily on the camera's battery. In other words... built-in flash really suck. I only use accessory flash, which solve most or all those problems. I didn't write an unequivocal "never" above because I may have used a built-in flash in an "emergency"... But really can't remember the last time I needed to do that. In fact, it was a couple years before I discovered the built-in flash on one of my cameras was stuck and wouldn't pop up. That tells you how often I use them (and I only discovered the problem because I accidentally pressed the button to open the flash... not because I was actually trying to use it). I almost always carry an accessory flash with me. There's at least one in each of my camera bags and I have a separate bag full of additional flashes and flash-related accessories.

2. I almost never put a flash directly in my camera's hot shoe. Instead I mount it on a flash bracket off to the side and raised higher up. This makes for much better flash effects... less redeye, nicer shadow effects. I use an off-camera shoe cord to connect the flash to the hot shoe, so otherwise it works exactly the same as if the flash were in the hot shoe. I have several flash brackets. The longer the lens focal length and farther away the subject, the taller a flash bracket needs to be... i.e., the more distance the flash needs to be away from the lens axis to reduce/prevent redeye. With 24-70mm lens, for example, I use a cheap ($25) no-name bracket I bought new... probably off eBay. It's nothing special, but works fine. I also have a couple modular Wimberley flash brackets designed for use with larger telephotos. They clamp onto the Arca-style dovetail of the lens plate on the tripod foot of those lenses. The reason I use them is they position the flash more accurately, which can be important with telephotos. A third type I use is the Manfrotto that's adjustable for height. It's pretty large and heavy, but can be necessary when using a flash at quite a distance with a fairly powerful telephoto (300mm, 400mm, 500mm). Often with those lenses I'm also using a flash extender, which is a Fresnel lens that's positioned in front of the flash to concentrate its output for greater reach.

Today using cameras with more exposure latitude I am using flash less often. I can often "correct" shadow problems in post-processing now. But flash also can add a "catch light" to people's and animals' eyes. Eyes without a catch light make the subject look "dead".

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Apr 15, 2021 13:23:40   #
Miamark Loc: Florida
 
I bought a Flashpoint Mini for my Fuji xt2. In the forty years that I have been taking pictures, I rarely use a flash. Here comes the however. I found that the Flashpoint adds a nice catchlight when taking portraits outside. It is very easy to use. Point the flash straight up and a small white card can be pulled up for a catchlight. Also, the flash cones with a nice diffuser.

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Apr 15, 2021 13:41:17   #
k2edm Loc: FN32AD
 
wide2tele wrote:
Maybe I'm just missing the topics but it appears daylight flash is rarely used.
How many people go out with a hot shoe mounted flash attached to their camera in daylight?
Why do you or why do you not?


I do, kills the deep shadows & I let the camera worry about the exposure...

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Apr 15, 2021 13:54:23   #
Ralanco19
 
Best way I know to control ambient background AND separately control light on main subject for maximum control of the image is using flash (indoors AND outdoors.). Two separate exposures giving many variations in the final image, even with same composition. Keep perfect desired exposure (including direction of light and intensity of light) on the subject, and then separately control background ambience in numerous ways including from blowing out the background by overexposing, to getting a natural background with a natural control of ambient light, to under exposing background by a stop letting the subject with flash exposure in foreground pop a little, to making a totally black background with perfectly lighted subject in foreground. With flash outdoors, you have MAXIMUM control of an image. Set the flash intensity just right for the foreground subject, then set the ambient exposure with “correct” ISO, Aperture, and Shutter Speed. Then by merely slowing the shutter, you can get an overexposed, even white, background. Increase shutter speed, and you get “perfect” ambient background exposure. Increase the shutter speed even more, you can get all the way to totally black background ... all the while, keeping a “perfect” exposure on the foreground subject with the flash exposure. Not use a flash outdoors (on camera or off)? Can’t even think of considering NOT using flash outdoors for MAXIMUM control of the light all around, and multiple different images in the same composition.

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Apr 15, 2021 14:11:55   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
I use the built in flash quite often when taking flowers an the like outdoors. Quite often I find a good opportunity in the shade.

Ed

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