Noise... It is a joke.
Mar 30, 2021 11:14:46 #
I've always been a photojournalist and the important part has, and will always be, Get The Shot. Grain was not even a thought when "pushing" Tri-X to 1600. And, noise is no big deal if ISO has to go to 4000 or higher to get the shot.
My point is , it's all different for each of us. All are right, just different goals.
My point is , it's all different for each of us. All are right, just different goals.
Mar 30, 2021 11:20:24 #
wide2tele wrote:
So happy you posted. I’m on my phone and thought maybe I just can’t see it properly! 😂
I trust you got it.
Mar 30, 2021 11:24:45 #
dandev
Loc: Enumclaw, WA
A few years ago, I attended a talk by Scott Kelby. There were about 100 people in the audience.
He had a great comment about noise. He said "the only people that care about noise are in this room." Meaning that our friends, clients, etc don't even see the noise. Unless you are shooting at extremes - I think that's true.
I don't hesitate to take photos at high ISOs if I have to. (I know some photographers freak out if they have to go above ISO 800.) I make sure I have a decent exposure - and know that I can remove some of the effects in post-processing. And that most viewers won't even see the noise.
I shoot an annual rodeo at night with bad arena lighting. After the sun goes down I'm shooting at ISO 12800 or even 25600. I get the shot.
He had a great comment about noise. He said "the only people that care about noise are in this room." Meaning that our friends, clients, etc don't even see the noise. Unless you are shooting at extremes - I think that's true.
I don't hesitate to take photos at high ISOs if I have to. (I know some photographers freak out if they have to go above ISO 800.) I make sure I have a decent exposure - and know that I can remove some of the effects in post-processing. And that most viewers won't even see the noise.
I shoot an annual rodeo at night with bad arena lighting. After the sun goes down I'm shooting at ISO 12800 or even 25600. I get the shot.
Mar 30, 2021 11:26:00 #
Rongnongno wrote:
Check the galley and cry. Too many shots of birds... (show quote)
"Those who crop are the same folks that would wound an animal." - A pearl of wisdom from CHG_CANON during a bad hangover?
Mar 30, 2021 11:37:04 #
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Mar 30, 2021 11:53:48 #
Mike Johnston who is the administrator of the blog The Online Photographer, who once edited and
wrote for the defunct Photo Techniques magazine, said that, about grain from film in prints These are
only photographs. Not reality. My take on that is simply to lighten up a little already.
wrote for the defunct Photo Techniques magazine, said that, about grain from film in prints These are
only photographs. Not reality. My take on that is simply to lighten up a little already.
Mar 30, 2021 12:05:15 #
richardsaccount wrote:
...said that, about grain from film in prints These are only photographs. Not reality. My take on that is simply to lighten up a little already.
You're inadvertently making the point that noise reminds the viewer of the un-reality of the photo. I fully agree with the suggestion that we often attach too much significance to noise and there are far more significant things to concern ourselves with, but when it comes to questions like "What makes a good photo good?", it could be argued that any reminders of the un-reality of a photo are negatives for the most part. Noise is going to be seen as good only in situations where things like nostalgia are prioritised.
Mar 30, 2021 12:13:27 #
Rongnongno wrote:
Check the galley and cry. Too many shots of birds or other wildlife are made from a larger image that have been cropped in order to show or isolate the subject.
You won't find any birds in the galley! We don't cook the one's we photograph.
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Mar 30, 2021 12:26:34 #
Bill_de wrote:
You won't find any birds in the galley! We don't cook the one's we photograph.
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Right...
I was still thinking as a hunter???
And before one asks... No I was not a whale hunter!!!
Mar 30, 2021 12:38:35 #
One has no idea of what noise is until they spend time with my Better Half...!
Mar 30, 2021 12:53:27 #
sippyjug104 wrote:
One has no idea of what noise is until they spend time with my Better Half...!
Mix some grain in her cereal.
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Mar 30, 2021 14:28:44 #
lamiaceae wrote:
I pretty much agree. I don't see a lot of practical noise in my 16 and 24 MP Raw images or eventual JPGs. I usually shoot at ISO 200-800. When I pixel peek I am looking for out of focus details or pixels, not noise. I sometimes make 11x14 prints, what noise. Yes, I run everything thru ACR but I rarely find the need to play with noise after that.
Just thought you might want to check the dimensions of wonderful RAW images. 16 MP X 24 MP images do not exist, I think. Even 16 KKP X 24 KP must come from a camera that can produces 384 MP images. Just thought you might want to reconsider the stated size. --Richard
Mar 30, 2021 14:31:56 #
profbowman wrote:
Just thought you might want to check the dimensions of wonderful RAW images. 16 MP X 24 MP images do not exist, I think. Even 16 KKP X 24 KP must come from a camera that can produces 384 MP images. Just thought you might want to reconsider the stated size. --Richard
Uh? Where did you see a multiplier???
He simply meant he had a 16 AND a 24 MP camera.
I don't see a lot of practical noise in my 16 and 24 MP Raw images or eventual JPGs.
Mar 30, 2021 14:37:46 #
profbowman wrote:
Just thought you might want to check the dimensions of wonderful RAW images. 16 MP X 24 MP images do not exist, I think. Even 16 KKP X 24 KP must come from a camera that can produces 384 MP images. Just thought you might want to reconsider the stated size. --Richard
Um, did you possibly interpret his post erroneously? "... 16 and 24 MP Raw images..."
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