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Mar 3, 2021 10:00:34   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
taxslave wrote:
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spotmatic II and a Super Takumar 50mm f1.4. I took thousands of photos with this rig along with a Pentax 35mm wide angle and a Lentar Zoom lens. I went digital 15 years ago buying a Canon XT 8 megapixel body and some kind of zoom lens that I do not remember. Currently I have a Canon 90d with a 24-105L. I also have a couple other lenses to fill in the focal lengths before and after that lens.

Digital photography is great - instant viewing of the image to show composition, sharpness, exposure and DOF. But the thing I love most about digital photography is the ability to reset ISO on the go. In the old film days a roll of film had a given ISO (ASA in those days) and you could not change it until the roll of film was complete. And of course the film types of different ISO’s were limited - 25, 64, 100, 125 speeds were common. TriX which was B&W was 400. These limited ISO’s are the reason most cameras came with a prime lens with a large aperture, f1.4 -2.0 were very common. You could push some films to 1000 if you needed to but then you experienced lots of noise. Today you can set the ISO as high as 3000-4000 without a significant amount of noise. I’ve heard of some people using ISO 10,000 and lowering noise in post. What did we do in the old days when we had 3 exposures left on the roll and the sun was fading? We did not get the shot.

I understand 35mm film photography is making a comeback. I don’t understand that. I will never go back. How about you?
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spo... (show quote)


I have shot a lot of film, Kodak Instimatic to 8x10". And I still have several 35mm and 4x5" cameras. But I have not shot film since 2014, having bought my first digital PnS around 1996. I now have 6 digital cameras plus a SmartPhone. No way would I go back to full time film shooting.

I love using Photoshop. As a few of you may know I have been scanning my old films. And I just bought a new Epson V850 Pro scanner to supplement my V500 Photo scanner. Now I can scan those 8x10" negatives! But I have found from over a period of years of scanning that given a good, clean, well shot piece of film I can produce and process to make a digitized image equal or superior to one of my similar digitally shot images. The difference is my hit ratio. Looking through my negatives and wet chemistry prints I find very few that are up to my current digital skill level. Most of my early film shots are horrible. I find entire 20, 24, 36 exposure rolls of nothing worthwhile, and I mean usually with only a few bracketed negatives of the same scene. I still shoot digital slowly and methodically - never a fan of spray and pray - and get a lot more good images, perhaps 1 in 10, as opposed to 1 in 30 with film. More experience, sure. The only time I shoot bursts is for action which I rarely shoot.

I have a few younger photographer friends and they are really intrigued with shooting different sorts of film and film cameras. I have even given a couple of them, who actually are a couple in the other meaning of the word photo equipment and literative I no longer want. I gave this young lady a Polaroid SX-70 camera to play with the massively over priced film for it. She also shoots plastic toy cameras. And for serious work she has a Fuji X-T2. Her boyfriend who shoots commercial and other photo assignments professionally shots a number of Sony MILCs for still and video. He also shoots amazing drone flights! He dabbles with film too, mostly 4.5x6 cm format.

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Mar 3, 2021 10:01:45   #
GreenReaper
 
taxslave wrote:
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spotmatic II and a Super Takumar 50mm f1.4. I took thousands of photos with this rig along with a Pentax 35mm wide angle and a Lentar Zoom lens. I went digital 15 years ago buying a Canon XT 8 megapixel body and some kind of zoom lens that I do not remember. Currently I have a Canon 90d with a 24-105L. I also have a couple other lenses to fill in the focal lengths before and after that lens.

Digital photography is great - instant viewing of the image to show composition, sharpness, exposure and DOF. But the thing I love most about digital photography is the ability to reset ISO on the go. In the old film days a roll of film had a given ISO (ASA in those days) and you could not change it until the roll of film was complete. And of course the film types of different ISO’s were limited - 25, 64, 100, 125 speeds were common. TriX which was B&W was 400. These limited ISO’s are the reason most cameras came with a prime lens with a large aperture, f1.4 -2.0 were very common. You could push some films to 1000 if you needed to but then you experienced lots of noise. Today you can set the ISO as high as 3000-4000 without a significant amount of noise. I’ve heard of some people using ISO 10,000 and lowering noise in post. What did we do in the old days when we had 3 exposures left on the roll and the sun was fading? We did not get the shot.

I understand 35mm film photography is making a comeback. I don’t understand that. I will never go back. How about you?
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spo... (show quote)


I too was hesitant at first. Then I found out all the things that I wanted to do with film but couldn’t, lack of knowledge,money, specialized equipment, you pick it, I could do in the digital world. I never went back.

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Mar 3, 2021 10:05:43   #
bleirer
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The only people shooting film in 2021 are fossils, the idle rich and hipsters from Brooklyn.


Wait, are you from Brooklyn?

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Mar 3, 2021 10:10:45   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Yes, agreed.
I don't care about new, trendy, or gee-whiz-bang either, nor what Joe Schmoe has, I use what I want.
Not getting a mirrorless;
my Sony H-1 is 15years old;
my Canon T1i is 11 years old;
my Galaxy S-III phone is 9 years old;
my car is 10 years old;
not getting Windows 10 until a computer breaks.

The freedom as a result of being able to control G.A.S., and be happy with what I have.
And they all still work, as my AM radio from 1964 does.
Both need and want are relative.
Life is good.
Yes, agreed. br I don't care about new, trendy, or... (show quote)



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Mar 3, 2021 10:13:39   #
bleirer
 
tradio wrote:
Been there, done that....it's over.
Digital all the way.
I still shoot digital like it was film though.. try to make every shot a keeper- can't get used to the spray and pray method.


I was with you but I'm changing my tune lately. Bursts are the way to go for handheld is the thing I try to remind myself now.

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Mar 3, 2021 10:23:20   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
bradkg wrote:
Wow, a question about digital vs film and a swipe at Brooklyn. Not nice Mr. Chicago. There are others from Brooklyn that are not hipsters and what have you got against the idle rich? I still have my 1970's Nikon F2 and I get a lot more excited picking that up than my current Nikons at 8 times the cost. Now if I could only remember how to load film and if only I had the patience for the results to come back. Yeah I guess I am sticking with digital, MP and instant reviews but stay off of Brooklyn, still an amazing place.
Wow, a question about digital vs film and a swipe ... (show quote)

Many people do not recognize humor when they hear or see it.
They simply jump to the defense.

He could have said "<insert city of choice>", but takes away from the quip and requires more thinking on the reader's part. So he picked one. He could have picked Toledo.

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Mar 3, 2021 10:25:34   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
bleirer wrote:
I was with you but I'm changing my tune lately. Bursts are the way to go for handheld is the thing I try to remind myself now.

They should make camera sound like a machine gun when in burst.

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Mar 3, 2021 10:27:19   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
CHG Canon wrote:

"The only people shooting film in 2021 are fossils, the idle rich and hipsters from Brooklyn."

And later wrote:

"I only shoot film because my EOS 1v uses all my EF lenses, especially the IS-enabled models. The 45 AF points in the 1v body from 2000 are only slightly less than the 61 in my EOS 5DIII. I sold off all my manual-focus bodies when I recognized I was not able to obtain the same sharply focused results in film as I could easily obtain in digital."

So what is your preference? It seems contradictory to state criticism of film users in one comment and later state you are using film. Which category are you, fossil, idle rich, or a hipster from brooklyn (transplanted to Chicago) and being contradictory or hypocritical?

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Mar 3, 2021 10:32:19   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
taxslave wrote:
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spotmatic II and a Super Takumar 50mm f1.4. I took thousands of photos with this rig along with a Pentax 35mm wide angle and a Lentar Zoom lens. I went digital 15 years ago buying a Canon XT 8 megapixel body and some kind of zoom lens that I do not remember. Currently I have a Canon 90d with a 24-105L. I also have a couple other lenses to fill in the focal lengths before and after that lens.

Digital photography is great - instant viewing of the image to show composition, sharpness, exposure and DOF. But the thing I love most about digital photography is the ability to reset ISO on the go. In the old film days a roll of film had a given ISO (ASA in those days) and you could not change it until the roll of film was complete. And of course the film types of different ISO’s were limited - 25, 64, 100, 125 speeds were common. TriX which was B&W was 400. These limited ISO’s are the reason most cameras came with a prime lens with a large aperture, f1.4 -2.0 were very common. You could push some films to 1000 if you needed to but then you experienced lots of noise. Today you can set the ISO as high as 3000-4000 without a significant amount of noise. I’ve heard of some people using ISO 10,000 and lowering noise in post. What did we do in the old days when we had 3 exposures left on the roll and the sun was fading? We did not get the shot.

I understand 35mm film photography is making a comeback. I don’t understand that. I will never go back. How about you?
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spo... (show quote)


Vinyl records are also making a big comeback. But my vinyl collection continues to play in my garage every summer when I am back in Pennsylvania.
The thing I like about digital is that I have finally escaped the smelly, dangerous fumes darkroom.
I can to a 100 times more in Photoshop than I could even dream about with film. Film may always have a nitch following but I for one will never go back.

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Mar 3, 2021 10:33:04   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
CHG Canon wrote:

"The only people shooting film in 2021 are fossils, the idle rich and hipsters from Brooklyn."

And later wrote:

"I only shoot film because my EOS 1v uses all my EF lenses, especially the IS-enabled models. The 45 AF points in the 1v body from 2000 are only slightly less than the 61 in my EOS 5DIII. I sold off all my manual-focus bodies when I recognized I was not able to obtain the same sharply focused results in film as I could easily obtain in digital."

So what is your preference? It seems contradictory to state criticism of film users in one comment and later state you are using film. Which category are you, fossil, idle rich, or a hipster from brooklyn (transplanted to Chicago) and being contradictory or hypocritical?
CHG Canon wrote: br br "The only people shoo... (show quote)

Many people do not recognize humor when they hear or see it.
They simply jump to the defense.

He could have said "<insert city of choice>", but takes away from the quip and requires more thinking on the reader's part. So he picked one. He could have picked Toledo.
(Now people from Illinois will be on me.)

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Mar 3, 2021 10:46:58   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The only people shooting film in 2021 are fossils, the idle rich and hipsters from Brooklyn.


And yet you still shot film, Paul, which one are you?

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Mar 3, 2021 10:50:01   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Now days the only film I have is on my teeth.

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Mar 3, 2021 10:51:15   #
Peteso Loc: Blacks Hills
 
I started in photography in 1964, shooting 35mm and 2-1/4” formats, primarily as a black-and- white photographer. While I do not plan on going back, I can certainly understand why some photographers might want to continue using film, at least part of the time. It has a beautiful look and I miss the darkroom experience. Also, if ISO is an issue, Hasselblad had interchangeable backs.

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Mar 3, 2021 10:55:37   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
Jimmy T wrote:

Now I find that digital has opened so many artistic doors for me that I could never go back.


It certainly has opened a lot of doors not only digitally but on the analog side as well. One of the more interesting developments has been the return of alternative and historical processes. Digital has been a driving factor in this not only because it has created a desire for a more haptic experience of image making but also has provided an easier method of making large alt process images.

Digital negatives can be produced on inkjet printers at a large scale, 16x20 for instance, which is easier and more affordable than using a 16x20 camera. One then coats their paper for whichever process and contact prints the negative and processes the print as normal.

Cyanotype has become very popular in the art community among photographers and printmakers because of its easy and inexpensive chemistry. Full color gum-dichromate printing has become easier as well because it requires 4 negatives for different colors. The separation can be done in photoshop and then printed as inkjet negatives fo each channel.

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Mar 3, 2021 10:58:45   #
bradkg Loc: englishtown nj
 
Oh, I fully got the humor and if your read my response I think that would be obvious. Brooklyn was just my entry into the convo. I happen to agree fully with the sentiment. I shot thousands of rolls of film from the 70's all the way through the early 90's and then switched over to digital in 1999, dismantled my wet dark room, changed it over to a digital room and have bought and sold digital cameras over the last 20 years as the science improved. I now have loads of glass, digital Nikons 800 series, mirrorless Fuji's, digital Leica (whoda thunk it) and a myriad of other smaller pocket size Sony's and of course the iPhone. You cannot go back, and I really do not even have the desire but I still really miss using the Nikon F2 if only because of the solid metal indestructible construction that the contemporary ones cannot match, through no fault of their own. I do not care what anybody says, though, I still supplement my music listening with a turntable and vinyl, and nothing compares to my early Gibson Les Paul's. Sorry Chicago.

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