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Mar 3, 2021 09:07:19   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
medphotog wrote:
What kind of fossil? Are you a Canonsaurus?


That's a GOOD one !

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Mar 3, 2021 09:12:16   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
While I’m all in on digital I totally get why people shoot film. I really enjoyed the craft of it. I miss my darkroom, but not enough that I’m ever gonna have one again.

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Mar 3, 2021 09:13:28   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
49bentley wrote:
I use to shoot film with a 35 mm Yamaha . . .,


Now that would be a neat trick! I RODE my Yamaha - a black 750 Special triple. Nice ride! But I did take photographs from my Yamaha while on the the road, using a Minolta PS 16 subminiature camera.

When I got back from a road trip I loaded up my Yashica Mat for some square photography.

Stan

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Mar 3, 2021 09:13:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
imagemeister wrote:
TRUE Craftsmen will be shooting film to some extent.....
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Fake craftsmen will be using digital?
Kinda like saying true artists use oils isn't it?

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Mar 3, 2021 09:15:44   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
taxslave wrote:
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spotmatic II and a Super Takumar 50mm f1.4. I took thousands of photos with this rig along with a Pentax 35mm wide angle and a Lentar Zoom lens. I went digital 15 years ago buying a Canon XT 8 megapixel body and some kind of zoom lens that I do not remember. Currently I have a Canon 90d with a 24-105L. I also have a couple other lenses to fill in the focal lengths before and after that lens.

Digital photography is great - instant viewing of the image to show composition, sharpness, exposure and DOF. But the thing I love most about digital photography is the ability to reset ISO on the go. In the old film days a roll of film had a given ISO (ASA in those days) and you could not change it until the roll of film was complete. And of course the film types of different ISO’s were limited - 25, 64, 100, 125 speeds were common. TriX which was B&W was 400. These limited ISO’s are the reason most cameras came with a prime lens with a large aperture, f1.4 -2.0 were very common. You could push some films to 1000 if you needed to but then you experienced lots of noise. Today you can set the ISO as high as 3000-4000 without a significant amount of noise. I’ve heard of some people using ISO 10,000 and lowering noise in post. What did we do in the old days when we had 3 exposures left on the roll and the sun was fading? We did not get the shot.

I understand 35mm film photography is making a comeback. I don’t understand that. I will never go back. How about you?
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spo... (show quote)



Film is making a comeback for many reasons. The best overall experience I remember is loading in a roll and snapping away not knowing what was going to be the result. It was the expectation that you thought you were a good photographer. A week later, you had one photo out of 36 that were worth showing around. But you were learning. I love my Canon 5D Mark IV so don’t get me wrong. The shots that I don’t like, just disappear with the press of a little button.
My wife picked up a Canon 1v-HS and I love it. Some days, I am out with digital and other days I’m out with film. Some days I will carry both. My back starts complaining.
I remember the TriX and the TMax and the Portra and the Ilford. I miss the BW400CN and the Siena tones. I have bought one expired roll and pushed back the ASA.

My suggestion to those crusty old coots like myself is this. Use what you love and don’t worry what other people think or say about you. What the others thought of you, you don’t know. What the others said about you weren’t heard. Photograph for yourself and those who appreciate your talents.

PS, I wish Kodak would bring back the BW400CN.

From: Scruples, one of the few hipsters still from Brooklyn.

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Mar 3, 2021 09:18:48   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
BebuLamar wrote:
That's right telling others what to do is really wrong. But too many people doing that. Oh yeah select your own toys. Photography is for fun to me.


Well Said, my fellow Hogger.

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Mar 3, 2021 09:22:39   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
That's right telling others what to do is really wrong. But too many people doing that. Oh yeah select your own toys. Photography is for fun to me.

I don't believe anyone is telling others what they should do. Simply stating what one does and why is not even close to telling others what they should do. I like digital because... I like film because...
How is that telling others what they should do?

I'm a woodworker and I LOVE power tools, and avoid hand work as much as possible. Roy Underhill is a woodworker, and he avoids power tools as much as possible. I could list a ton of reasons I prefer modern tools, and he could list a ton of reasons he likes working by hand with antique hand tools. He, nor I, would demand the other do it our way.

In woodworking, we would [lovingly] call Roy a neanderthal.
I guess those still shooting film are neanderthals as well, not that there is anything wrong with that...

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Mar 3, 2021 09:22:49   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't go back to film I never left. Film is fun to use but it's expensive and much more harder to do than in the old days. But film is fun and I do photography for fun.


It’s only expensive if your spouse says so. What she doesn’t know what I process, can’t hurt me or yell at me at least.

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Mar 3, 2021 09:23:35   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
taxslave wrote:
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spotmatic II and a Super Takumar 50mm f1.4. I took thousands of photos with this rig along with a Pentax 35mm wide angle and a Lentar Zoom lens. I went digital 15 years ago buying a Canon XT 8 megapixel body and some kind of zoom lens that I do not remember. Currently I have a Canon 90d with a 24-105L. I also have a couple other lenses to fill in the focal lengths before and after that lens.

Digital photography is great - instant viewing of the image to show composition, sharpness, exposure and DOF. But the thing I love most about digital photography is the ability to reset ISO on the go. In the old film days a roll of film had a given ISO (ASA in those days) and you could not change it until the roll of film was complete. And of course the film types of different ISO’s were limited - 25, 64, 100, 125 speeds were common. TriX which was B&W was 400. These limited ISO’s are the reason most cameras came with a prime lens with a large aperture, f1.4 -2.0 were very common. You could push some films to 1000 if you needed to but then you experienced lots of noise. Today you can set the ISO as high as 3000-4000 without a significant amount of noise. I’ve heard of some people using ISO 10,000 and lowering noise in post. What did we do in the old days when we had 3 exposures left on the roll and the sun was fading? We did not get the shot.

I understand 35mm film photography is making a comeback. I don’t understand that. I will never go back. How about you?
I started in photography in 1972 with a Pentax Spo... (show quote)


Many folks including me love to shoot film. It's a much slower contemplative process as you work to get the best composition and rendering of an image because once you've taken the shot that frame is gone. My main love is still digital but I love film and as a diversion. I also love and have several vintage film cameras, most in excellent to mint condition.

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Mar 3, 2021 09:25:13   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Robertl594 wrote:
Have not shot film since getting my first Nikon D1 in November of 1999. I just cleaned out some drawers of new rolls of 35mm film. I totally agree with you comment regarding being able to change ISO (formerly ASA haha) per image. Such a great benefit. Digital has come a long way and I do not see myself ever going back to film, although I do still keep my F5 because it is such a beautiful bit of engineering.


I recently purchased the F4 in mint condition. Beautiful piece of gear. If you decide you want to sell any of your 35mm film let me know.

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Mar 3, 2021 09:26:01   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The only people shooting film in 2021 are fossils, the idle rich and hipsters from Brooklyn.


I guess I fall into the fossil category. Definitely not the other two categories. LOL

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Mar 3, 2021 09:33:50   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The film era and the digital era in photography differ in performance. We do not need to belabor this difference. Now we now find ourselves in a transition almost wholly to digital photography. Consider, for example, that cellular telephones with a built-in camera use digital means only, having nothing to do with film.

My reading tells me that while the film era has ended in favor of the digital era, film photography yet appeals to a small fraction of photographers. This appeal may continue the use of film as a niche in the field of photography.

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Mar 3, 2021 09:33:52   #
BebuLamar
 
BigDaddy wrote:
I don't believe anyone is telling others what they should do. Simply stating what one does and why is not even close to telling others what they should do. I like digital because... I like film because...
How is that telling others what they should do?

I'm a woodworker and I LOVE power tools, and avoid hand work as much as possible. Roy Underhill is a woodworker, and he avoids power tools as much as possible. I could list a ton of reasons I prefer modern tools, and he could list a ton of reasons he likes working by hand with antique hand tools. He, nor I, would demand the other do it our way.

In woodworking, we would [lovingly] call Roy a neanderthal.
I guess those still shooting film are neanderthals as well, not that there is anything wrong with that...
I don't believe anyone is telling others what they... (show quote)


The OP didn't tell anyone what to do. He only wonder why would anyone uses film. But there are posts in the thread saying that only fossil would use film clearly implied that one shouldn't use film.

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Mar 3, 2021 09:38:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BigDaddy wrote:
I don't believe anyone is telling others what they should do. Simply stating what one does and why is not even close to telling others what they should do. ...
...
...

Correct so far, in this thread....

And yes, stating what one does is NOT telling others what to do.
It's all in the phrasing.
But some people are very opinionated. Such is life.

See too many other threads for many examples.

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Mar 3, 2021 10:00:06   #
bradkg Loc: englishtown nj
 
Wow, a question about digital vs film and a swipe at Brooklyn. Not nice Mr. Chicago. There are others from Brooklyn that are not hipsters and what have you got against the idle rich? I still have my 1970's Nikon F2 and I get a lot more excited picking that up than my current Nikons at 8 times the cost. Now if I could only remember how to load film and if only I had the patience for the results to come back. Yeah I guess I am sticking with digital, MP and instant reviews but stay off of Brooklyn, still an amazing place.

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