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Oct 21, 2012 10:36:00   #
gfinlayson
 
MtnMan wrote:
gfinlayson wrote:
The controls on the smaller bodies will drive you to distraction. There's nothing like the level of control offered by the D300 or D7000 without extensive digging around in the menu. They also lack the multi-point advanced AF systems of the D300 or D7000. I'm about to buy a second body to complement my existing D7000. Guess what it'll be? Yup, another D7000 :-)



I find the controls on the D5100 pretty fine. Can you clarify which controls you use that seem to be an issue?

The D5100 has 11 point AF. I use spot focus so I don't see a need for more.

I do use the auto exposure most often set to matrix area averaging. The D5100 uses a 420 pixel sensor for exposure metering. I can't imagine a need for more.

I finally settled on putting the programmable function key on ISO. I mostly shoot in P mode so I can use the thumbwheel and the ISO button to get any settings I need that keep my light meter happy.

I shoot RAW now so don't need a WB control cluttering up my camera. I leave it on Auto WB but as you know it has no effect on my RAW images.

The only setting thing I don't like on the D5100 is that you can't make the setting for remote triggering stay stuck when you turn the camera off. That does require going to the shooting menu view on the LCD. There is a button to do that which you have to hit twice and then scroll to set the trigger to remote.

Even though I am pretty sure it won't have the articulated screen I've decided to be one of the first buyers for the D7100. I mostly want the weatherproffing but I'm pretty sure it wil have at least a 24MP sensor. That matters to me because I do massive cropping on some wildlife shots. I've got my wife pumped up waiting for the hand-me-down D5100.
quote=gfinlayson The controls on the smaller bodi... (show quote)


The D7000 gives me full control over Aperture, Shutter speed, ISO, WB, Focus mode, number of focus points in use, exposure compensation and metering mode without having to go near the info screen or menu. I can adjust all of the above with the exception of white balance and metering mode without even taking my eye off the viewfinder.

11 point AF may be enough for you, but it's not for me. I make use of all 39 AF points and regularly use D9 and sometimes D21 modes for photographing birds in flight.

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Oct 21, 2012 10:39:55   #
gfinlayson
 
texaskalboy wrote:
lol the DX lenses are fine unless you plan on becoming a professional photog there is no need in going above what you already have. you have some fine equipment. i enjoy shooting with my d3200 and get great results with it.


You don't need to buy FX lenses to be a pro. I know a number of pros who make very good money shooting with DX.

Being a pro isn't about owning fancy kit, it's about been a very good photographer.

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Oct 21, 2012 11:17:40   #
Perry Loc: Washington Michigan
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
pugfan wrote:
I would like a smaller dSLR as a second body to my D7000 and D300s. Which would anyone suggest?


I think that would be a third body.

The D7000 & D5100 have the same sensor. That's a good enough reason to get one.

http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon-D5100-vs-Nikon_D3100

If you have any of the older AF lenses, they won't autofucus with either camera as they lack the focus motor in the body.


Another thing to consider if you're looking at a 3100 vs 3200, the d3100 (I have the 3100) doesn't have wireless shutter capabilities. The 3200 does. I understand it has a larger sensor as well. I will never get a d3200, but rather I will set my sights on a camera that is at least several steps up from mine now if I were to upgrade. I can't see moving up one or two models after my initial investment which was pretty substantial.

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Oct 21, 2012 11:18:30   #
Canikon Guy Loc: Baltimore, MD
 
pugfan wrote:
I would like a smaller dSLR as a second body to my D7000 and D300s. Which would anyone suggest?


Get the D5100, great little camera! :thumbup:

Small, light, takes great pictures. It is the baby brother of the D7000.

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Oct 21, 2012 11:28:42   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
pugfan wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
pugfan wrote:
I would like a smaller dSLR as a second body to my D7000 and D300s. Which would anyone suggest?

You can get a good deal on a D7000 on eBay. Just be sure to find out how many clicks on the shutter.


Hopefully they would tell the truth. How many is too many?


Both the 3100 and 5100 have a "life expectancy" estimate of 100,000 clicks for the mechanical parts. Just saw one for sale on Craigslist with 98,500 actuations. :shock: :shock:

http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/16492

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Oct 21, 2012 12:17:50   #
hrlygrl798 Loc: New York
 
I have a D3100 while I love the camera the add on options such as lens, flash, and other things aren't great for it, they are very specific and very costly. What they don't tell you is that with the D3100 and from my understanding the D5100 too you have to have AF-S lens for them. You can use AF lenses but you have no use of auto focus, motor zoom and other various in camera settings.

Because of this finding used lens or lenses at a great price is hard and if you purhcase AF-S lenses they won't work on cameras that require Regular Nikon AF lens because of the motor position. I actually found out this bit of information from talking with a worker at B&H photo. Had I known this I possibly would have looked into a different camera.

Another issue is the Flash If you are looking to use an automatic flash your only option is to purchase the "official" flash for this camera from nikon which costs upwards of $250. However If you are manually programing your flash (which I often do) you can look into using other more budget friendly flashes, just make sure you do your research well on what is compatible.

However aside from this flaw, the camera does work very well and has some great basic features. Currently right now this is my everyday camera and I haven't really had any mechanical issues or anything else. I would say it's a great starter camera especially if you're on a budget but if you're looking for something a little more sophisticated (which i currently am, because I have outgrown this camera, though it will make a great back-up) maybe look for something else.

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Oct 21, 2012 12:22:45   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
hrlygrl798 wrote:

............ you purhcase AF-S lenses they won't work on cameras that require Regular Nikon AF lens because of the motor position. I actually found out this bit of information from talking with a worker at B&H photo. Had I known this I possibly would have looked into a different camera.


I have no idea who fed you this line of crap, but thats exactly what it is....CRAP!
Nikons AF-S lenses WILL work on ALL Nikon DSLRs, as well as most later model film SLR's. They do not work on many earlier film SLRs only because many of them needed the aperture ring on the lens and most AF-S lenses are also "G" lenses that have no physical aperture ring.

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Oct 21, 2012 12:32:22   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
gfinlayson wrote:

The D7000 gives me full control over Aperture, Shutter speed, ISO, WB, Focus mode, number of focus points in use, exposure compensation and metering mode without having to go near the info screen or menu. I can adjust all of the above with the exception of white balance and metering mode without even taking my eye off the viewfinder.

11 point AF may be enough for you, but it's not for me. I make use of all 39 AF points and regularly use D9 and sometimes D21 modes for photographing birds in flight.
br The D7000 gives me full control over Aperture,... (show quote)


Thanks. I guess I'm going to like the D7100 more that I thought!

As I noted with the programmable function key set to ISO on the D5100, and using P mode, I can do all of the above listed before WB through the viewfinder. I don't care about WB since I am shooting RAW.

Of course I can also adjust focus point with the arrow keys while looking through the viewfinder...I don't think that is any different except the 39 vs. 11 points. I find the 11 points more than satisfactory as I use the shutter focus lock if I want a point not quite there and need to recompose after locking...and I always use spot focus. In fact probably better so I don't have to toggle through as many to get where I'd like it to be.

I don't use exposure compensation...but if I did it would require looking at the LCD anyway to cause me to do it. However there is indeed a button for that on the D5100. It shows up in the viewfinder and you use the thumbwheel to adjust it as you do for the exposure time and f-stop with no other buttons pushed or the ISO with the function button pushed. That's already too many buttons for me to keep track of.

If I had an exposure issue I'd more likely bracket, pump up active D-lighting, or take an HDR. Oh, I guess the D7000 doesn't have HDR. Well I'm hoping the D7100 has it...a better one that uses at least three shots.

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Oct 21, 2012 13:42:56   #
gfinlayson
 
MtnMan wrote:
gfinlayson wrote:

The D7000 gives me full control over Aperture, Shutter speed, ISO, WB, Focus mode, number of focus points in use, exposure compensation and metering mode without having to go near the info screen or menu. I can adjust all of the above with the exception of white balance and metering mode without even taking my eye off the viewfinder.

11 point AF may be enough for you, but it's not for me. I make use of all 39 AF points and regularly use D9 and sometimes D21 modes for photographing birds in flight.
br The D7000 gives me full control over Aperture,... (show quote)


Thanks. I guess I'm going to like the D7100 more that I thought!

As I noted with the programmable function key set to ISO on the D5100, and using P mode, I can do all of the above listed before WB through the viewfinder. I don't care about WB since I am shooting RAW.

Of course I can also adjust focus point with the arrow keys while looking through the viewfinder...I don't think that is any different except the 39 vs. 11 points. I find the 11 points more than satisfactory as I use the shutter focus lock if I want a point not quite there and need to recompose after locking...and I always use spot focus. In fact probably better so I don't have to toggle through as many to get where I'd like it to be.

I don't use exposure compensation...but if I did it would require looking at the LCD anyway to cause me to do it. However there is indeed a button for that on the D5100. It shows up in the viewfinder and you use the thumbwheel to adjust it as you do for the exposure time and f-stop with no other buttons pushed or the ISO with the function button pushed. That's already too many buttons for me to keep track of.

If I had an exposure issue I'd more likely bracket, pump up active D-lighting, or take an HDR. Oh, I guess the D7000 doesn't have HDR. Well I'm hoping the D7100 has it...a better one that uses at least three shots.
quote=gfinlayson br The D7000 gives me full cont... (show quote)


Lack of HDR isnt an issue for me as it only works in JPEG. For the occasional shot that needs it I bracket as many shots as I need in RAW and process with Photomatix Pro/Lightroom.

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Oct 21, 2012 13:59:04   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
gfinlayson wrote:

Lack of HDR isnt an issue for me as it only works in JPEG. For the occasional shot that needs it I bracket as many shots as I need in RAW and process with Photomatix Pro/Lightroom.


I agree for another reason: it just isn't very good. I find the Active D-lighting does as good or better job than the two-shot HDR in the D5100 and you only need one shot so do better with handheld. But the competitors have moved ahead on this so I expect a better rendition with the newer Nikons.

The D600 may have it but I haven't heard any reports on it.

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Oct 21, 2012 14:59:46   #
Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller
 
Why have 3 bodies with completely different controls???[/quote]

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Why not? I have the d90 and 3100. I'm planing on acquiring the d5100. Just waiting to see if there will be a d5200 because I purchased the d3100 three months unknown (before) the d3200 came out.

Anyway, I'm retired. All my children are adults with their immediate families and all are doing well. So to spend my money my choice is to either frequent bars, chase women and have nothing to show for my expense or spend my money on photography, travelling and volunteering which gives me pleasure and something to show for my time and expense.

Your opinion on how I or anyone else spends money and a dollar will buy me a cup of coffee. 8-)

AND I choose to no longer have a wife to drive me further into unnecessary debt.

"Why have 3 bodies with completely different controls?"

Each body is unique for different photographic situations. Having different controls challenges my mind. Keeping my mind active reduces the possibility of Alzheimer.

So I'll buy as many cameras bodies as I want. It's my money and is not to be questioned. :lol:

The original question was choosing between the d3100 vs the d5100 not "why a third body." :twisted:

In answer to the original question, d3100 vs d5100? I recommend the d5100. Even with the higher mpx's of the d3200, I still recommend the d5100.

With hind sight, knowing what I know now, I would have purchased the d5100 with two kit lens, then the d90 with two kit lens, then the d3200 body, then the Coolpix p510, and then some prime lens like the 85mm, the 50mm, the 105mm and the 24mm. See I have lots of equipment to buy. :-P :-P

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Oct 21, 2012 20:42:49   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Why not another D7000?????
Why have 3 bodies with completely different controls???


I agree with MT Shooter. Two cameras the same makes it a lot easer than trying to remember what camera you are useing at the time. And all your lens can be used on both. If your shooting a job where you need two differant lens each camera would have the lens you need without having to change. Thats what I used to do when I was a in the busness of photography. When useing the camera you dont have to waste time thinking what camera your using. Every thing comes like second nature. Cheers.

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Oct 21, 2012 21:13:41   #
golf96 Loc: Milton, Massachusetts
 
How many clicks is a D7000 good for? Or any good DSLR? If you were to buy a used one ...well would you and if so how mank clicks is to many? ....thanks

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Oct 21, 2012 21:18:28   #
Photography2 Loc: Wi.
 
I have a D7000 and my daughter has a D5100. We had a photo shoot scheduled and my daughter was going to do most of the work but I helped out with setting up the lights and getting started, but found it very difficult with the D5100 because the controls are so different. Frustrated with the difference, I had to switch to the D7000 to ensure good pictures. While my daughter loves the D5100 and would prefer to use that. It all depends on how versatile you are for learning two cameras. I'm a one camera-body person. If you're young and learn fast, go for it but old geazers like me have to stay with what they know lol

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Oct 21, 2012 21:27:59   #
pugfan Loc: Carlsbad CA
 
Wabbit wrote:
pugfan wrote:
I would like a smaller dSLR as a second body to my D7000 and D300s. Which would anyone suggest?


Hey Doc ..... hum, ya got two now, and if ya add one more you'll have ..... let me see here ..... gotta take my socks off to use my piggies ..... OK now, ya got two and ya gonna add one more ..... got it, you're gonna have three ..... a "Third" body"


Hey Wabbit, I already admitted I couldn't count....I should have said to EITHER my 7000 or 300s.
:)

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