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Feb 7, 2021 22:21:10   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
Stan Gould wrote:


Overall, we rate LifeSiteNews far right biased based on story selection that always favors evangelical Christianity and Mixed for factual reporting due to a few failed fact checks.

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Feb 7, 2021 23:46:45   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
ricardo00 wrote:
Glad you are being safe Robert! Staying 30 minutes after your shot can't hurt (what difference does another 15 minutes in your life make if it can save you) and glad you are getting your shot close to the Kaiser ER (by the way, my wife was an ER doctor at a Kaiser in Northern California for 37 years).
And you are correct, it does depend on what you are allergic to and how severe your allergies are. But I can assure you, that any place giving the COVID vaccination will have epi pens available. It would be irresponsible for them not to have such pens available (and anyone can give it, most schools have it for the occasional child like your nieces daughter with a peanut allergy who comes in contact with a child with a peanut butter sandwich). Both my son and I have pretty severe allergies and keep epinephrine pens in our house. The ingredient(s) in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines that is causing the anaphylactic response is not known, the best guess is what is called polyethylene glycol. As far as I know, this ingredient is not in any other injections so it is hard to predict who will react. It is actually in some colon emptying mixtures that people use before a colonoscopy. I have high levels of IgE (the allergic immunoglobulin) and due to the constant flowers of plants/trees/grasses in California, am always taking anti-histamines and nasal steroids but still feel my allergies throughout the day. So I would consider myself as much at risk of an allergic response as anyone after getting the shot so hopefully won't have a reaction to the booster.
Glad you are being safe Robert! Staying 30 minute... (show quote)


We have some epi pens - our middle/special needs child is horribly allergic to bee, wasp etc.

And the schools I taught at all nurses had epi pens and all staff took yearly training/refresher in use of same. Every student who needed one had special permission to carry one and all teachers whose class they were in signed a notice of that student's presence in their classes.

Well, once when Los Angeles schools went on a "Zero Tolerance" rampage the people downtown "ordered" nurses to confiscate all epi pens and inhalers, meds etc. and require students to go to the office to use them. They sprang this by surprise without notifying school admin - just phone calls to the nurses. Most nurses ignored them and most school admin backed them up. But the school where I taught at the time had a new, young nurse-first month on the job. So she was following the order (she thought the school admin knew about it-they didn't-it was found buried in the usual Monday morning flood of e-mails to the Principal and APs).

One of my first period students arrived at class in tears over it - she had severe asthma - and the nurse kept her emergency inhaler. I sent her to the principal's secretary (who really runs the office) with a quick note threatening to help her parents sue the district and the biggest football player in my class (I told him "If she has an attack-carry her to the nurse!") and one of the other girls as an escort. Twenty minutes later she returned all smiles waving her inhaler. I was on the phone with the office being thanked for letting them know what happened so I just pulled my inhaler out of my pocket and waved it back at her. Our school admin had all meds, epi pens and inhaler's returned, the nurse was informed she could ignore downtown on this (she was relieved also, it had worried her to take those emergency items) and downtown was informed they were idiots - and the Principal told them she would join me in helping parents sue the district if necessary. In two days (warp speed for LAUSD) the rules were changed and all schools had special assemblies and staff meetings to "clarify" things.

The first time I was in a training session about epi pens the instructor handed me a dummy pen and asked me what to do with it. My response was what the Army taught me in CBR training. I smashed the end of the pen into my thigh hard enough to make sure it would penetrate the cloth of my pants. The instructor and the other teachers in the class all jumped and the instructor commented that that would sure do the job. But added, I think we can do it a little less forcefully in the school environment.

As to all vaccine sites having epi pens on hand - the medical people I trust - but not the politicians and bureaucrats. Hey, an anti-stupid vaccine, we could really use some of that in 55 gallon drums by the truck load.

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Feb 7, 2021 23:54:45   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
robertjerl wrote:
As to all vaccine sites having epi pens on hand - the medical people I trust

Not to mention the 100,000 or so personal injury lawyers in the U.S. just waiting in the wings, providing additional incentive....

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Feb 8, 2021 00:01:40   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
David Martin wrote:
Not to mention the 100,000 or so personal injury lawyers in the U.S. just waiting in the wings, providing additional incentive....


I would be inclined to put them - with the politicians/bureaucrats - in tier 1A for the anti-stupid vaccine shots.

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Feb 8, 2021 00:19:07   #
Dossile
 
Stan Gould wrote:


I only comment because I don’t want someone to choose death or disability because ignorance is put forward as fact. The vaccine is safe and effective. Covid is very dangerous and everyone not vaccinated will eventually get infected. Make your choice. Because of treatment advances, the vaccine is no longer like playing Russian roulette with a 20 chamber pistol, but it’s close enough for my tastes.

These articles are just an example of how you can find a comment on the Internet proving anything that you want. Following radical websites from any political spectrum without exercising critical thinking is a certain path to be manipulated and a frightening way to live life. The quoted site regarding vaccines is manipulative and straight out wrong. It’s much like trusting a plumber for definitive advice on a bladder cancer because, much like a bladder and urethra, a plumber works on fluid in pipes and containers.

Covid is still very dangerous. I personally know a dozen people who have died from COVID and another 25 plus who are still struggling with disabilities caused by the infection. The new variant from South Africa is very worrisome. I hope people are wise enough to ignore the anti vaccers. They peddle in ignorance, fear and paranoia.

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Feb 8, 2021 00:59:24   #
Doc Mck Loc: Terrell,Texas
 
I am 78 y/o and have practiced medicine since 1968. If the people that made the vaccine say to get 2 doses then that is what I did. Only fools argue with the manufacturers regarding how to use the product. They did all the studies. They know their product.

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Feb 8, 2021 01:13:34   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
Doc Mck wrote:
I am 78 y/o and have practiced medicine since 1968. If the people that made the vaccine say to get 2 doses then that is what I did. Only fools argue with the manufacturers regarding how to use the product. They did all the studies. They know their product.


Your wisdom is greatly appreciated. Unfortunately, those people who are anti-vaccine, or see masks and social distancing as "political" oppression or an infringement of their "rights" are beyond redemption. Their conspiracy theories and the warped media they are slavishly following will not permit them to see anything that is science based or is even common sense. I have a family member who I used to consider intelligent, but now she adheres to these extreme theories: the virus was manufactured in a Chinese lab for the express purpose of dethroning Trump, the Hunter Biden laptop will reveal all of Joseph Biden's graft in China and Ukraine, Russia did not hack our government agencies, and "it" will all come out. "It" is undefined and there have been several "Its". Oh yeah, the internet will go down, all the credit cards will become unusable, there will be fuel and cash shortages, etc. As a physician you will love this: The number of deaths caused by the coronavirus has been greatly inflated so that doctors can make more money by reporting them versus other causes of death. So, if a person has cancer, heart disease, diabetes, renal failure, obesity, etc. and they contract COVID-19 and die, she believes the cause of death should be the preexisting condition, not the virus. When I try to explain that people can live years with those conditions, but the virus wiped them out, she can't accept that logic. Sorry for the diatribe.

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Feb 8, 2021 02:10:37   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
JeffL wrote:
Thanks for opening up a space in the gene pool.

I know a few people like this. One is recovering after two weeks in the hospital from COVID-19 and a changed person as a result of almost dying. His attitude is a lot different now... I would have to conclude having COVID-19 is a cure for stupidity!

bwa

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Feb 8, 2021 04:10:46   #
patman1 Loc: Pataskala, Ohio
 
The ignorance comes from the fact you believe it's all a coincidence. Don't you think it's strange all these deaths come after getting the shots. Believe as you may I will look for you in the obits.

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Feb 8, 2021 08:32:51   #
Dossile
 
Sadly, we will be seeing obits for those who refuse to believe science and refuse the vaccine. It is inevitable, like the sun rising. I hope patman1 gets the mild infection. Older individuals die daily from all kinds of conditions, and the vaccine won’t protect from other causes of death. But it will save those who get the vaccine from deaths from COVID.

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Feb 8, 2021 08:35:22   #
Dossile
 
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Feb 8, 2021 09:36:34   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
patman1 wrote:
The ignorance comes from the fact you believe it's all a coincidence. Don't you think it's strange all these deaths come after getting the shots. Believe as you may I will look for you in the obits.


Since you seem to rely on a right biased, faith based site, rather than listen to scientists and the medical profession, your opinion is unsubstantiated by facts. The site you quote provides some facts and a lot of conspiracy crap. It is doubtful, but if you can, try absorbing information that is untainted. Go to Associated Press or Reuters, which have been judged to be unbiased news sources. But, since they don't conform to your already entrenched and fantasy based ideology, you will probably discount them as unreliable sources.

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Feb 8, 2021 12:41:23   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
JeffL wrote:
The number of deaths caused by the coronavirus has been greatly inflated so that doctors can make more money by reporting them versus other causes of death.

Which of course, as you realize, is ludicrous.
Hospitals are reimbursed more if Covid appears on the death certificate (even if only a contributing factor and NOT the "cause of death") to help pay for the increased overhead. Payment to doctors is not affected.

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Feb 8, 2021 12:58:03   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
David Martin wrote:
Which of course, as you realize, is ludicrous.
Hospitals are reimbursed more if Covid appears on the death certificate (even if only a contributing factor and NOT the "cause of death") to help pay for the increased overhead. Payment to doctors is not affected.


Actually your assertion is nonsense too. Hospitals do not determine cause of death. Coroners do. Hospitals do not get paid based on cause of death. Every covid patient causes them to lose money because they have to turn away elective surgeries...which is where they and doctors make money.

I know this as a fact because my son is president of a local hospital. He and all senior staff are on 40% salary reduction because covid is causing hospitals to lose huge sums of money. And many staff are laid off because covid doesn’t use surgeries.

PS: But the Insurance Companies profits are soaring: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/05/hospitals-losing-millions-of-dollars-per-day-in-covid-19-pandemic.html

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Feb 8, 2021 13:13:05   #
ricardo00
 
patman1 wrote:
The ignorance comes from the fact you believe it's all a coincidence. Don't you think it's strange all these deaths come after getting the shots. Believe as you may I will look for you in the obits.


Yep coincidence is the way to detect truth. Like this pandemic started under our last President. So is this only a coincidence? He must have caused the pandemic. Right?

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