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Feb 7, 2021 15:08:41   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
patman1 wrote:
I dont know where you get your info from but you have to look a little closer. The first week they started administering the vaccine 6 people died in the UK, all of those deaths attributed to the vaccine. The number of deaths is at 25 in the US as of today. Google it!


patman1:

I gave you this link in my earlier post:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-18/what-to-know-about-vaccine-related-deaths-allergies-quicktake

Here is another, which goes country by country, explaining how authorities have investigated deaths following Covid vaccine and have determined that the deaths were due to causes other than the vaccine:

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-are-covid-19-vaccines-causing-deaths/a-56458746

And here:
"Everyone who experienced an allergic response has been treated successfully, and no other serious problems have turned up among the first 22 million people vaccinated, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/01/28/covid-19-vaccines-cdc-safety-data-pfizer-moderna-coronavirus/4281434001/

So what's your source of information?

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Feb 7, 2021 15:28:50   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
IDguy wrote:
Found this today from the phase 3 study on Moderna:

“Investigators observed 236 cases of symptomatic COVID-19 among participants at least 14 days after they received their first shot, with 225 cases in the placebo group and 11 cases in the group receiving mRNA-1273. The vaccine efficacy was 95.2% for this secondary analysis.”

So it looks like we’re 95% good after first shot. One has to wonder why the second? They could be vaccinating twice as many people.

But that sentence confounds me as they go on to report 196 cases after both shots...also mostly in placebo participants. So more people got it in the two weeks between the first and second shot than during the rest of the six month study?

Or does it mean 196 of the total 236 cases occurred after the second shot? If so that seems odd as 40 cases in two weeks vs. 196 in next 5+ months among placebo group would be a heck of a placebo effect.

We will get our second shot and keep up distancing and masking until the disease is banished from the earth...but just wondering.
Found this today from the phase 3 study on Moderna... (show quote)

With number of anti-vaxxers in the wild it could be a long stretch before that banishment...

bwa

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Feb 7, 2021 15:42:18   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
David Martin wrote:
patman1:

I gave you this link in my earlier post:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-18/what-to-know-about-vaccine-related-deaths-allergies-quicktake

Here is another, which goes country by country, explaining how authorities have investigated deaths following Covid vaccine and have determined that the deaths were due to causes other than the vaccine:

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-are-covid-19-vaccines-causing-deaths/a-56458746

And here:
"Everyone who experienced an allergic response has been treated successfully, and no other serious problems have turned up among the first 22 million people vaccinated, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/01/28/covid-19-vaccines-cdc-safety-data-pfizer-moderna-coronavirus/4281434001/

So what's your source of information?
patman1: br br I gave you this link in my earlie... (show quote)



Far better the shot than the disease!

bwa

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Feb 7, 2021 15:46:47   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
Those that refuse the vaccine will accomplish two things. First, they can contract the virus and infect others. Second, they can get really sick and may leave the gene pool. It’s their choice.

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Feb 7, 2021 18:25:17   #
Dossile
 
patman1 wrote:
I dont know where you get your info from but you have to look a little closer. The first week they started administering the vaccine 6 people died in the UK, all of those deaths attributed to the vaccine. The number of deaths is at 25 in the US as of today. Google it!


Fortunately, 25 people have not died as a result of receiving the Covid vaccine. But even imagining that your exaggerated number is correct—25 people have died from vaccine in 2 1/2 months—remember, far more than 25 people have died of COVID worldwide just during the short time that it took us to write our collective comments. COVID is a killer, the vaccine is not. The data is pretty complete and the claim of 25 people having fatal reactions to the COVID vaccine is incorrect. People have died after getting the vaccine, but people have also died shortly after eating French fries and getting a sponge bath, which doesn’t mean they are a cause of death. Reviewing the vaccination health reports from multiple western nations, I can find no reports of COVID vaccine death causation.

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Feb 7, 2021 18:28:45   #
ricardo00
 
Dossile wrote:
Fortunately, 25 people have not died as a result of receiving the Covid vaccine. But even imagining that your exaggerated number is correct—25 people have died from vaccine in 2 1/2 months—remember, far more than 25 people have died of COVID worldwide just during the short time that it took us to write our collective comments. COVID is a killer, the vaccine is not. The data is pretty complete and the claim of 25 people having fatal reactions to the COVID vaccine is incorrect. People have died after getting the vaccine, but people have also died shortly after eating French fries and getting a sponge bath, which doesn’t mean they are a cause of death. Reviewing the vaccination health reports from multiple western nations, I can find no reports of COVID vaccine death causation.
Fortunately, 25 people have not died as a result o... (show quote)



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Feb 7, 2021 18:43:44   #
patman1 Loc: Pataskala, Ohio
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-18/what-to-know-about-vaccine-related-deaths-allergies-quicktake?utm_source=url_link

Yes it's not 25 it's more like 143, all just a coincidence. Do you really believe that! Check link!

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Feb 7, 2021 18:44:20   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
patman1 wrote:
You can pass that BS on to the newest person who died this morning from her shot! Good luck!


No one has died from the vaccination. Out of millions.

“ So far, more than 26 million people in the United States have received a dose of the vaccine for COVID-19. The CDC estimates that out of every 1 million people, two or three who receive the Moderna vaccine and around 11 who receive the Pfizer vaccine may suffer a severe allergic reaction. Some people experience side effects like fever, fatigue and a sore arm. But so far, the CDC hasn't identified a single case in which the vaccine caused a person's death.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/post-vaccination-deaths-dont-covid-19-vaccine-deadly/story?id=75524209

The good news is that the dimwits who believe such nonsense and and turn themselves into biological weapons by not getting vaccinated make the vaccine available for more deserving humans. And are more likely to die.

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Feb 7, 2021 18:52:20   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
patman1 wrote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-18/what-to-know-about-vaccine-related-deaths-allergies-quicktake?utm_source=url_link

Yes it's not 25 it's more like 143, all just a coincidence. Do you really believe that! Check link!


You obviously can’t read or couldn’t comprehend the article which says none of those deaths were caused by the vaccine.

And OBTW over 2, 300,000 who didn’t get vaccinated have died from covid.

I can get basic ignorance but deliberate stupidity stumps me.

Fits with your evident intellectual deficiencies.

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Feb 7, 2021 18:56:38   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
IDguy wrote:
No one has died from the vaccination. Out of millions.

“ So far, more than 26 million people in the United States have received a dose of the vaccine for COVID-19. The CDC estimates that out of every 1 million people, two or three who receive the Moderna vaccine and around 11 who receive the Pfizer vaccine may suffer a severe allergic reaction. Some people experience side effects like fever, fatigue and a sore arm. But so far, the CDC hasn't identified a single case in which the vaccine caused a person's death.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/post-vaccination-deaths-dont-covid-19-vaccine-deadly/story?id=75524209

The good news is that the dimwits who believe such nonsense and and turn themselves into biological weapons by not getting vaccinated make the vaccine available for more deserving humans. And are more likely to die.
No one has died from the vaccination. Out of milli... (show quote)

Sadly it is those same dimwits that will keep the coronavirus circulating in society and mutating, giving rise to new variants potentially more contagious and more deadly!

bwa

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Feb 7, 2021 19:21:45   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
bwana wrote:
Sadly it is those same dimwits that will keep the coronavirus circulating in society and mutating, giving rise to new variants potentially more contagious and more deadly!

bwa


At least they become more and more likely to kill each other off as normal humans get vaccinated.

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Feb 7, 2021 21:13:31   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
ricardo00 wrote:
None of the people who had an allergic reaction died, they were all given epinephrine and recovered without any problems. And the number who had a severe allergic reaction is very small, 10 cases out of the 4,000,000 who were injected. My son who has bad allergies and asthma had both of his shots without any problems and I have had my first shot without any problem and also have severe allergies.


It depends on what you are allergic to.
I eat nuts like there is no tomorrow but when our niece brings her little girl over it is hide all the nuts - peanuts or peanut butter could kill her.

And if the person gets the shot somewhere that is not a medical facility and epinephrine isn't available!!! Or if the reaction doesn't happen during the immediate waiting period! The wife and I sat in the Kaiser Medical Center for 30 minutes after our shots. In the same building as the Urgent Care clinic and right next door to the hospital and ER (maybe 25 yards from the ER).

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Feb 7, 2021 21:39:54   #
ricardo00
 
robertjerl wrote:
It depends on what you are allergic to.
I eat nuts like there is no tomorrow but when our niece brings her little girl over it is hide all the nuts - peanuts or peanut butter could kill her.

And if the person gets the shot somewhere that is not a medical facility and epinephrine isn't available!!! Or if the reaction doesn't happen during the immediate waiting period! The wife and I sat in the Kaiser Medical Center for 30 minutes after our shots. In the same building as the Urgent Care clinic and right next door to the hospital and ER (maybe 25 yards from the ER).
It depends on what you are allergic to. br I eat n... (show quote)


Glad you are being safe Robert! Staying 30 minutes after your shot can't hurt (what difference does another 15 minutes in your life make if it can save you) and glad you are getting your shot close to the Kaiser ER (by the way, my wife was an ER doctor at a Kaiser in Northern California for 37 years).
And you are correct, it does depend on what you are allergic to and how severe your allergies are. But I can assure you, that any place giving the COVID vaccination will have epi pens available. It would be irresponsible for them not to have such pens available (and anyone can give it, most schools have it for the occasional child like your nieces daughter with a peanut allergy who comes in contact with a child with a peanut butter sandwich). Both my son and I have pretty severe allergies and keep epinephrine pens in our house. The ingredient(s) in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines that is causing the anaphylactic response is not known, the best guess is what is called polyethylene glycol. As far as I know, this ingredient is not in any other injections so it is hard to predict who will react. It is actually in some colon emptying mixtures that people use before a colonoscopy. I have high levels of IgE (the allergic immunoglobulin) and due to the constant flowers of plants/trees/grasses in California, am always taking anti-histamines and nasal steroids but still feel my allergies throughout the day. So I would consider myself as much at risk of an allergic response as anyone after getting the shot so hopefully won't have a reaction to the booster.

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Feb 7, 2021 22:13:19   #
Stan Gould Loc: La Crosse, Wisconsin
 
IDguy wrote:
... We will get our second shot and keep up distancing and masking until the disease is banished from the earth...but just wondering.


Why I am not taking the Vaccine. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/501-deaths-10748-other-injuries-reported-following-covid-vaccine-latest-cdc-data-show

Second reason. Former Pfizer VP: "The vaccine is not necessary" https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-pfizer-vp-no-need-for-vaccines-the-pandemic-is-effectively-over

The only reason for masking is political control.

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Feb 7, 2021 22:14:52   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
Stan Gould wrote:


Thanks for opening up a space in the gene pool.

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