BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere

OH, PLEASE!

FIRST! - Look at what state this bill is in. THAT by itself should have told you "end of story".
SECOND! - When it rains, it's pretty damn plain the end of the world is upon us.

Note to myself: Where did all these crazy people come from?

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Apparently Rong's comment was actually directed at you and not me. I will be sure he is made aware of his error.

Dennis

BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere

#4 is funny! You are correct but, it's still funny.

Glad you remember these points.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Of course you are going way off track here to defend the indefensible. Even if I was somewhat wrong with my post, you admitted that it was even more stupid than I had pointed out. The thought of someone on the Left actually telling Americans they have to retreat from robbers on the street when they have the common sense right to defend themselves is ridiculous. Surely you really know that but are just being your normal self, fight anything said by someone on the Right even if what they say is common sense. You STILL take that idiot politicians word for things while then telling us you would fight for you and yours. Of course you would and so SHOULD every person on the planet. Every person has a right to their own self defense no matter if it is on the street or on their property. Yet you side with the Left.

As an ex cop I have spoken to a great many people who have been robbed in their home through burglary, a couple of home invaders and some on the street. I have suggested that every one of those people buy a gun, learn to use it and then if the opportunity presents itself the next time to actually use it against their attackers or thieves. I truly believe in the Castle Doctrine type of law. While you seem not to admit it you just did when you said you own guns and would use them to protect you and yours.

You do this BS all the time. Even when your ideas and mine are the same you put down my ideas while standing firm for yours. Are you afraid the Left Wing language police will come after you, will they take away your Left Wing card or your secret decoding ring. Is there a secret Winky Dink screen for Democrats you use to receive messages from your television? Might I suggest it is you who needs to take a look at what you are telling people because it isn't right, it is not common sense. Either that OR like a typical corrupt Left Winger you want laws enforced for me but not for thee. You want to have guns, want to protect yourself but are all uppity when those of us on the other side of the aisle do so.

As a firearms instructor for both police and civilians I don't disagree about safe handling of firearms. As for your comment about the parking lot incident where a man was killed, there are also a number of road rage incidents where one vehicle rammed the other vehicle. There is violence all across America. That is why I carry a firearm, not to shoot someone but to be sure someone does not shoot me. Violence will never be stopped. Surely you agree there are many people who should never be allowed behind the wheel of a vehicle; and yet...there they are.
But your safety comment has nothing much to do with what the Left Wing politician wanted to pass for a law.

Yes it may not pass nor even get voted on. Of course I get that. But the point is you still seem to support some of what she said. Perhaps it is you and not me who is not listening, not paying attention.

We seem to agree on much in this thread and yet here you are, as per your usual, coming across guns blazing over nothing while doing your best to put me down. Why do you do that? There ARE times when both sides of the aisle can agree on something yet your attitude makes that impossible. Must be a corrupt Left Wing thing.

Dennis

papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach

Do you agree with her? Please, no smart remarks. Just trying to understand your viewpoint.

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

I consider myself to be a liberal progressive, and am having trouble understanding Meza’s reasoning. Too complicated to go further.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

They ALL came from the corrupt Democratic Party. There, that answers that question for you. Let's not forget that it was this corrupt Left Wing woman that submitted this Bill. No matter whether or not it might actually pass, SHE wants it to pass and she is a Democrat. You say you have the same beliefs as I do, that you will protect you and yours with a firearm if necessary and yet you don't have the guts to actually come out and tell us this woman and her idea is ridiculous.

Dennis

Rongnongno Loc: FL

And the advice is wrong.

YOU typed 5. Shout "Police; drop your weapon" if you have to shoot so that witnesses can testify that you called the police.

Where is it mentioned that you are not the police?
'Freeze: I called the police' is rather different from 'Police: drop your weapon'.
Also, witnesses do not give a rat ass of what you scream like a little girl. Your phone record on the other hand will be proof enough in both cases.

'Freeze: I called the police' would stop whomever on their track: They would be laughing their asses off.
Also, in case you are not aware of it, self-defence does not include making a threat before opening fire.

But then again for you and your ilk, "I have a weapon and will use it." is all you need as justification.

Rose42

Do you have any experience with self defense?

Leo_B Loc: Houston suburb

Meza is one of the many poster children of dumber than dirt leftist morons.

berchman Loc: South Central PA

What I do know is that the very last thing you want to do is to shoot someone unless the alternative is your being killed. Because the cops will arrest you, no matter what your story, and they will let the DA and the courts decide on whether you were justified. The only exception might be if you are a little old lady and your assailant was a large male of color. In that instance the cops might not arrest you. Better to throw your decoy wallet on the ground and run like hell if you can. Better to be robbed than killed. Better to be robbed than have to spend time in jail, maybe raped or otherwise assaulted before you get out on bail, lots of money to hire a competent criminal lawyer, lots of money to defend the civil suit for damages brought by the criminal's family.

Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL

If the politicians are going to steal from us with impunity, surely the non-elected criminals deserve no less.

Amielee Loc: Eastern Washington State

What you say is true in some jurisdictions. There are places in the U.S. where that is not true. Not all police depts. will arrest you in cases of self defense and not all DAs will charge you. Before you use armed force to defend yourself know the policies in your area. Even self defense in some jurisdictions could cost you a great deal of money even if found not guilty, and in others could get you honors.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

From your poorly written comment you make it seem as if the other member shot a police officer and impersonated a police officer.

Now take a look at the real world, not your make believe world. Had the man actually been a victim in an armed street robbery and then yelled, POLICE, before shooting the criminal, nobody on the planet would ever charge him with impersonating a police officer. There would be no jail time on that point anywhere. Of course there would be an investigation as to whether or not it was a lawful shooting but I doubt he would even be held overnight in a jail. You may be right or wrong about what witnesses would say. There may have been no witnesses at all in this story. But in the end, who cares. What would be the most important fact about this story is that the good guy would have shot and stopped/killed an armed robber who meant him harm. The good guy, the honest citizen, would be alive to go home to his family. Are you unable to see that fact or is your Left Winger thought process not allowing you to see the common sense point in all of this. As I asked the little Boocat, are you FOR the bad guy stealing property from honest citizens? Are you against honest citizens protecting themselves? Seems as if you are or you would not be carrying on with these ridiculous comments.

Dennis

FrumCA

Definitely proves that liberalism is a mental disorder!! Let's see how many fools on the left side of the aisle in congress support this idiocy!