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Jan 29, 2021 10:49:11   #
davesit Loc: Media, PA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
There are only two (as far as I know) MF lenses that are really fast. The Hasselblad 80mm F/1.9 @ $4800 and the Hasselblad HC 100mm f/2.2 @ $4400. To defeat the FF DOF war...it's another huge chunk of change that has to be laid out.
Fuji just doesn't have the lenses.
The Fuji camera body is just the beginning of a thin wallet. The lenses will do the rest of the thinning, and for it's really one purpose...product and portrait photography.
Medium format is a niche system, as opposed to the all around FF bodies.
There are only two (as far as I know) MF lenses th... (show quote)


I do wonder how many MF bodies Fuji sold last year.

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Jan 29, 2021 10:56:22   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
That is true, I should have added landscape shooters, sorry. For me and many other pros and amateurs, the 61 megapixels of the Sony A7RIV rock it for landscapes.

Here 61mp A7RIV with Sigma Art 24-70mm f2.8 DG DN lens. The Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco, California, USA. 24mm , f8, ISO 200, 1/80 sec. This is a single image.

Also 61mp A7RIV with Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 lens: Horseshoe Bend and the Colorado River, Navajo lands, near Page, Arizona, USA. 17mm, f8, ISO 100. This is an HDR image of five exposure-bracketed shots merged in Adobe Lightroom .
That is true, I should have added landscape shoote... (show quote)


Appreciate the post. As I consider the A1, have been considering whether to hold onto the A7Riv. I think you helped me in that decision making process.

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Jan 29, 2021 11:03:28   #
Canisdirus
 
davesit wrote:
I do wonder how many MF bodies Fuji sold last year.


Fuji relies on their crop cameras to keep going I imagine.
Fuji has a unified vision which has helped them immensly.
They are the crop camera company.
Cropped FF bodies...
Cropped Medium Format bodies.

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Jan 29, 2021 11:25:44   #
gwilliams6
 
davesit wrote:
Yes, forgot to quote reply.

BTW, you probably know this already, I heard from Sony Pro Support yesterday that Pro Support members will be receiving an email next week to prioritize the delivery of the A1.


Yes I am also a Sony Pro Support member and have used that priority before when getting new gear. Now I have to get some gear sold and raise the balance I need when that A1 comes calling. Cheers davesit.

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Jan 29, 2021 11:26:01   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Folks the reason there is normally blackout with mirrorless cameras is: Mirrorless cameras black out because the camera has to close the mechanical shutter and clear the data off the sensor before it can re-open the shutter to expose the sensor for the LCD or EVF to display the scene. It is not about not having a mirror. The blackout is caused by the mechanical shutter opening and closing.

You might assume then that when shooting in electronic shutter ,all mirrorless cameras or DSLR cameras when in electronic shutter mode would have no blackout. Not true as electronic shutters in all mirrorless and DSLRs read the sensor row by row from top to bottom and that still causes delay to clear the data before the EVF or rear LCD can reset. That is the blackout in electronic shutter operation.

But with the exclusive stacked-sensor of the Sony A9, A9II and now A1, the sensor readout is so fast (only a full global shutter would be faster) so there is totally no EVF blackout in the A9, A9II, and now A1 when shooting in electronic shutter. No other digital fullframe cameras can claim that, though some are better and have reduced blackout. But until they have a stacked sensor or a global shutter all other fullframe cameras will have some degree of EVF blackout in electronic shutter shooting as well as mechanical shutter operation.

I have to teach this stuff to my University Photography course students, so I have to be correct on the physics and technology . I realize that unless you understand the uniqueness of the Sony-exclusive stacked-sensors in the A9, A9II and now A1 it can be confusing.
Cheers
Folks the reason there is normally blackout with m... (show quote)


I'm not sure that is entirely true. On my A7R4 in E or M shutter in continuous mode there is blackout on the initial exposure but none there after until the edge of the frame is moved beyond the focus point. I'm referring to a stationary subject. I can't remember if it is the same panning or tracking a moving object.

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Jan 29, 2021 11:29:22   #
lotusb3
 
I WOULD BE AFRAID TO EVEN HOLD A CAMERA COSTING THAT MUCH MONEY!

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Jan 29, 2021 11:35:18   #
gwilliams6
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Fuji relies on their crop cameras to keep going I imagine.
Fuji has a unified vision which has helped them immensly.
They are the crop camera company.
Cropped FF bodies...
Cropped Medium Format bodies.


Fuji makes great gear no doubt, and I am a marvel at how Fuji reduced the size and cost of their 100mp sensor from the GFX 100 down into the new GFX 100s , from 10K to 6k costs. Smart move on Fuji's part as folks were having a tough time justifying 10K just for the GFX 100 body. And yes the GFX 100 and new GFX 100s are really cropped medium format sensors, smaller than Hasselblad and others medium format sensors. Their medium format lens lineup will need to expand, and I am sure that it will over time. For the way I shoot, the Fuji system just wont replace the performance features and lens options of my current fullframe camera and lens system.

Cheers and best to those who use Fuji, an excellent brand and very innovative in APS-C and "medium" format.

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Jan 29, 2021 11:35:58   #
lotusb3
 
This is a really simple answer: A real photographer can take the best picture with any type of camera if he/she has the artist's eye to see what is around them. They must then be able to edit and print with what ever equipment they have once again using that artist's eye to bring out the best in the photo. The expensive camera is not important to the "real photographer".

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Jan 29, 2021 11:45:33   #
gwilliams6
 
lotusb3 wrote:
This is a really simple answer: A real photographer can take the best picture with any type of camera if he/she has the artist's eye to see what is around them. They must then be able to edit and print with what ever equipment they have once again using that artist's eye to bring out the best in the photo. The expensive camera is not important to the "real photographer".


I respectfully disagree. While I have made excellent shots with whatever level of gear I have owned from a teenager up through my long professional career, and yes skill, vision and creativity are paramount. The advances of new technology in cameras and lenses, lighting gear, etc. have opened up new avenues and new ways of creative expression for millions of shooters at all levels.

I embrace all these advances and use them to the fullest. It isn't a matter of inexpensive or expensive gear but a matter of making the most of what gear you can afford. "Real" photographers use all manners of gear, some of it expensive, some of it not, as we create with whatever budgets we have. Cheers

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Jan 29, 2021 11:53:52   #
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lotusb3 wrote:
I WOULD BE AFRAID TO EVEN HOLD A CAMERA COSTING THAT MUCH MONEY!

Put a cheap lens on it to lower your risk.

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Jan 29, 2021 12:02:09   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
lotusb3 wrote:
This is a really simple answer: A real photographer can take the best picture with any type of camera if he/she has the artist's eye to see what is around them. They must then be able to edit and print with what ever equipment they have once again using that artist's eye to bring out the best in the photo. The expensive camera is not important to the "real photographer".


I know some people believe that but its not true. As an exaggerated example to make a point; capturing an image of coral reef creatures in their environment requires special equipment. Shooting macro, time lapse, birds, sports all require specialized equipment and the knowledge to use it, to do well consistently.

As far as printing and editing; what about pro shooters that send off there images to editors for processing and viewing in electronic media or print.

I apologize to anyone I have offended, but I'm so sick of "Real Photographers"...show me an unreal photographer.

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Jan 29, 2021 12:05:11   #
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lotusb3 wrote:
This is a really simple answer: A real photographer can take the best picture with any type of camera if he/she has the artist's eye to see what is around them. They must then be able to edit and print with what ever equipment they have once again using that artist's eye to bring out the best in the photo. The expensive camera is not important to the "real photographer".

But it IS important !!! Acoarst it looks unimportant to the unimaginative mind.

High end features are enabling. There is a large herd of wannabes parroting each other who have zero clue what the mind of a photographer will actually do with the increased potential offered by the latest innovations.

If you’re not hemmed in by the current abilities of state of the art tech then you are in no position to mock new gear that breaches the frontier. The nature of the frontier is that it’s always moving.

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Jan 29, 2021 12:10:40   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
The Sony A1 excites me but I'm not likely to buy it it even though I believe it would be an asset to own since I use Sony equipment.

I'm an amateur and retired, with no expectation for incomes from my craft. The difference between what I currently use is not worth $6500 and more.

If the technology and cost trickles down to a more earthly level I'll consider it.

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Jan 29, 2021 12:13:46   #
gwilliams6
 
Nalu wrote:
Appreciate the post. As I consider the A1, have been considering whether to hold onto the A7Riv. I think you helped me in that decision making process.




Yes I love my A7RIV, but once I get the A1, I may consider selling the A7RIV, OMG I know that sounds like heresy. I do have other friends that are selling their A7RIV and getting the A1. I may join you and them.

Right now I am selling my A9, wont really need that when I get the A1, but I am keeping my A7SIII .

Cheers

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Jan 29, 2021 12:17:45   #
gwilliams6
 
joer wrote:
The Sony A1 excites me but I'm not likely to buy it it even though I believe it would be an asset to own since I use Sony equipment.

I'm an amateur and retired, with no expectation for incomes from my craft. The difference between what I currently use is not worth $6500 and more.

If the technology and cost trickles down to a more earthly level I'll consider it.


Yes most folks don't need this expensive A1. Be happy and use what you have. Cheers joer, and yes I do think some of the A1 tech will trickle down to more affordable models in the future.

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