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Jan 26, 2021 09:20:57   #
slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again
 
thom w wrote:
Since the only direct result of Antabuse is to make one sick, you are obviously related to hemorrhoids, or at least the area they affect.

Oh Casper.....did you just call me an asshole.....???



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Jan 26, 2021 09:33:59   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
DennyT wrote:
So if it is arguable whether trump can be impeached as an ex president .
Then he should be arrested by the DOJ and charged, indicted and tried under the law:

18 USC Ch. 115: TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES


”””””Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the ...“””””

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim

Doesn’t seem complicated.

I would think trump should be happy it is the impeach approach.- as should his supporters as it seems the lessor of the potential punishments .
So if it is arguable whether trump can be impeache... (show quote)


The FBI said this had been planned in advance by the factions at the Capitol. How do you incite a "planned event"?

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Jan 26, 2021 09:39:56   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Frank T wrote:
If you actually think about it, Trump was impeached on January 13th, 2021 in the House of Representatives.
He was still President at that time. It is the Senate trial that is being held now, not the impeachment.


"If you actually think about it", the purpose of an impeachment and trial is to decide whether or not to remove an elected or appoint federal official from office. Just an FYI..judges can be impeached too.

Trump is no longer in office. What precisely will an impeachment serve to do here? He's gone.

Also, as we all know, the FBI indicated that they knew about the upcoming attack on the Capitol. It was pre-planned. In what world does any part of Trump's speech "incite" a pre-planned attack?

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Jan 26, 2021 09:43:22   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
hondo812 wrote:
The FBI said this had been planned in advance by the factions at the Capitol. How do you incite a "planned event"?


Trump incited it well before January 6th through rhetoric telling the idiots that the election was rigged. He said the election was rigged before the election, and after claimed that he won and the election was stolen from him and them. The speech on January 6th was only a pep rally before the game. Can you add 2+2 and get 4?

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Jan 26, 2021 10:04:24   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
hondo812 wrote:
"If you actually think about it", the purpose of an impeachment and trial is to decide whether or not to remove an elected or appoint federal official from office. Just an FYI..judges can be impeached too.

Trump is no longer in office. What precisely will an impeachment serve to do here? He's gone.

Also, as we all know, the FBI indicated that they knew about the upcoming attack on the Capitol. It was pre-planned. In what world does any part of Trump's speech "incite" a pre-planned attack?
"If you actually think about it", the pu... (show quote)


Well, I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a sycophant but, I need to tell you, you're not going to have a good year if the impeachment upsets you.
There's lots more to come.

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Jan 26, 2021 10:52:42   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
DennyT wrote:
So if it is arguable whether trump can be impeached as an ex president .
Then he should be arrested by the DOJ and charged, indicted and tried under the law:

18 USC Ch. 115: TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES


”””””Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the ...“””””

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim

Doesn’t seem complicated.

I would think trump should be happy it is the impeach approach.- as should his supporters as it seems the lessor of the potential punishments .
So if it is arguable whether trump can be impeache... (show quote)


Save this one for the Hunter Biden laptop trial.

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Jan 26, 2021 11:12:18   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
That law also applies to those Jan 6 rioters, so it will be interesting to see how many are actually tried in court.

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Jan 26, 2021 11:33:36   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Save this one for the Hunter Biden laptop trial.


You and you fellow trumpers have been talking about this for at least a year with no action.
Time to give up on that conspiracy .

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Jan 26, 2021 12:04:55   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
slocumeddie wrote:
It's not complicated.......but it only exists in you hateful, deluded fantasies..........


Hey sloke, you're out from under your rock. Does your keeper know?

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Jan 26, 2021 12:24:46   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
John_F wrote:
That law also applies to those Jan 6 rioters, so it will be interesting to see how many are actually tried in court.


Good point but it appears the govt is letting all of them of the hook with lessor minor charges - trespassing , interfering with congress etc.

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Jan 26, 2021 13:18:20   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Frank T wrote:
Well, I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a sycophant but, I need to tell you, you're not going to have a good year if the impeachment upsets you.
There's lots more to come.


sycophant?

Maybe you should go back and look it up.

defn: "A person who attempts to gain advantage by flattering influential people or behaving in a servile manner."

Exactly what "advantage" am I gaining here? Who am I flattering? Do they know?

Seems to me that if I flatter someone, but they have no idea that I did, then I could not possibly be a sychophant.

Look if you want to pretend to be smart then have the chops to back it up.

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Jan 26, 2021 13:44:06   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Trump incited it well before January 6th through rhetoric telling the idiots that the election was rigged. He said the election was rigged before the election, and after claimed that he won and the election was stolen from him and them. The speech on January 6th was only a pep rally before the game. Can you add 2+2 and get 4?


The election was rigged. It was the most dishonest in history by far. Just because you don't want to examine the evidence doesn't mean you can't call that out unless you want to follow the free speech plan of Russia or Communist China.

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Jan 26, 2021 13:47:59   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Fotoartist wrote:
The election was rigged. It was the most dishonest in history by far. Just because you don't want to examine the evidence doesn't mean you can't call that out unless you want to follow the free speech plan of Russia or Communist China.


How do we know the election was stolen?

1. Fabrication Of Phony Votes Filmed In Atlanta
Americans were shocked and aghast as a surveillance video at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta, Georgia — the tabulation center for the election — graphically showed fake ballot manufacturing in progress.
Republican poll watchers and observers asked to leave in the middle of the election night. Once the room was cleared, the election larceny began. Several election officials were filmed pulling out large boxes of ballots from underneath a draped table. Then, they proceeded to tabulate a quantity of fake manufactured ballots estimated to be in the range of tens of thousands.
View the video online.

2. Bribes Paid To Voters To Back Biden
On native American reservations in Arizona and Nevada, media reports recount how “native Americans traded their votes for VISA gift cards, jewelry, and other ‘swag.'”

3. Ballots For Trump Were Destroyed
In Arizona, over 75,000 absentee ballots were reported as unreturned when they were actually returned. These absentee ballots were then either lost or destroyed and/or were replaced with blank ballots filled out by election workers or other third parties.

4. Dead Voters Lined Up for Biden
“In Pennsylvania, matching voter rolls to public obituaries found what appears to be over 8,000 confirmed dead voters successfully casting mail-in ballots.”
In Georgia,10,315 ballots were cast by individuals whose name and date of birth matches a GA resident who died in 2020 prior to the election.

5. The Number of “Indefinitely Confined” Voters Tripled
In Wisconsin, “clerks in Dane and Milwaukee counties offered illegal advice that encouraged individuals to use indefinite confinement as a way to ignore the state’s photo I.D. requirement.”
Under Wisconsin law, each voter may decide for himself if he is indefinitely confined, but the clerks in most WI counties decided that, due to the pandemic, everyone was potentially indefinitely confined and sent out absentee ballots to all voters, totally obviating the state’s photo id law.
The Wisconsin GOP sued, and the state Supreme Court ruled that it was right and that “a county clerk may not “declare” that any elector is indefinitely confined due to a pandemic.” The court said that, “…the presence of a communicable disease such as COVID-19, in and of itself, does not entitle all electors [voters] in Wisconsin to obtain an absentee ballot…” and thus bypass the photo id law.
The number of Wisconsin voters who avoided identity checks by claiming to be “indefinitely confined” surged from just under 70,000 voters in 2019 to over 200,000 in 2020. The extra 130,000 “indefinitely confined” voters were five times Biden’s margin in Wisconsin.
The Trump campaign contends that “more than 28,000 votes were counted from people who failed to provide identification by abusing the state’s “indefinitely confined” status, including two Biden electors.”

6. Phony Ids Used To Vote
In a sworn affidavit, a poll worker in testified that “poll workers were instructed to advise people who wanted to register to vote and did not have proper Nevada IDs or Driver’s Licenses to do the following: These unregistered voters could go outside into the parking lot and make an appointment with the Department of Motor Vehicles as late as January 2021 to obtain a Nevada Driver’s License as proof of their identity. They could then bring in confirmation of their DMV appointment in either paper or digital form; and that would be sufficient to allow them to be registered.”

7. Voters Who Had Moved Away Voted Anyway
In Georgia, over 20,000 people appear to have sent a Notice of Changed Address form to the Georgia state government or had other indications of moving out of state. Yet, these clearly ineligible out- of-state voters appeared to have remained on the voter rolls and voted in the 2020 election.

8. Signatures Were Not Verified
In Georgia, the Secretary of State, and future governor, Brian Kemp, both supposedly Republicans, actually agreed to relax signature verification on mailed and absentee ballots so that only one signature verification was required, even though state law required two.

9. Naked Unsigned Ballots Were Counted
Democrat poll workers in Pennsylvania discarding the signed outer envelope in which paper ballots had been sent in. With just the “naked” ballot, there was no way to determine the voter’s eligibility,
While Pennsylvania law requires that the outer envelope be signed in order for the vote to be counted, the Secretary of State, Kathy Boockvar — a staunch Democrat — issued “guidance” saying that naked ballots had to be counted anyway.
Even when the Pennsylvania Supreme Court rejected Boockvar’s “guidance,” she insisted that the naked ballots be counted, and they were included in the tally.
Since polling showed that Biden won over 75% of all mail ballots (while Trump won 80% of in person election day votes), the Boockvar ruling had a lot to do with the Democrats stealing Pennsylvania’s twenty electoral votes.
In Wisconsin, “Nearly 6,000 absentee ballots were counted that were contained in incomplete and altered ballot envelopes that the Wisconsin statutes expressly forbid.”

10. Republican Observers Were Barred From Vote Tabulation Centers
During the actual vote tabulation in 2020 and in subsequent recounts, Republicans were barred from monitoring what was happening.
Navarro reports that “in Georgia Michigan, and Pennsylvania, poll watchers and observers were denied entry to ballot counting centers by Judges of Elections and other poll workers. This was despite presenting proper certification and identification.”
In these three states — and also in Nevada — “Republican poll watchers were also forced inside confined areas, thereby limiting their view. In some cases, this confinement was enforced by local law enforcement.
In Michigan poll workers put up poster boards on the windows of the room where ballots were being processed and counted so as to block the view. In Pennsylvania, tens of thousands of ballots were processed in back rooms where poll observers were prohibited from being able to observe at all.

11. Defective Paper Ballots Were “Cured”
In Pennsylvania, contrary to state law, poll workers were trained to allow voters to cure or “correct” their ballots. According to one court filing, Democrat-controlled counties in Pennsylvania participated in pre-canvass activities prior to Election Day “by reviewing received mail-in ballots for deficiencies” such as “lacking the inner secrecy envelope or lacking a signature of the elector on the outer declaration envelope.” Voters were then notified so that they could cure their ballots – which, Navarro points out, was a clear violation of state law.”
In one Pennsylvania precinct, Republican poll workers saw their Democratic counterparts sort approximately 4,500 ballots with various errors into bins. Poll workers then re-filled out the 4,500 ballots so that they could be read by tabulation machines, an action contrary to state law.
In Michigan, poll workers altered the dates on the outer envelopes of the ballots so that they would be able to count them.
Mich. poll workers also filled out blank ballots to “correct” mail-in and absentee ballots according to what they believed the “voter had intended.”
12. Ballots Arriving Late Were Counted…Illegally
In Pennsylvania, 630,000 votes arrived after election day, almost ten percent of the 7 million votes cast. State law required that no late votes be counted. But the Pennsylvania Supreme Court — a solidly Democratic bench — overrode the Legislature and required that votes be counted if they arrived within three days after election day.
13. Votes Were Cast In The Names Of Ineligible Voters
In Georgia, 2,506 ballots were cast by individuals whose name and date of birth matches an incarcerated felon in a Georgia prison.

Also, in Georgia, 4,502 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who do not appear on the state’s voter rolls. 18,325 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who registered to vote using an address listed as vacant according to the postal service. At least 86,880 ballots were cast by people whose registrations were illegally backdated.

In a letter to the Georgia secretary of state, Trump attorney Cleta Mitchell cited similar numbers:
• “In 2016, 3.5% of absentee or mail-in ballots were rejected.
• In 2018, 2.9% were rejected
• But in 2020, only 0.3% were tossed out. Thirty times less than in 2016.”

In the key swing states, the evidence of fraud in the ballot counting was especially clear.
I told the president as the dimensions of the Democratic fraud became apparent that he was like he was running up the stairs while Biden was just riding the escalator of fraudulent votes.
The president kept insisting that he won the election by a lot, noting that when a Republican carries Florida and Ohio, he always wins.

Since the bulk of the fraud in the 2020 election was aimed at paper ballots, we have to ask the fundamental question: How did the Democrats get people to use paper mail-in or absentee ballots in 2020?
In 2016, only a quarter of Americans voted by mail or on paper ballots. But in the 2020 election, half did. How did the Democrats do it?

They harnessed and inflamed fear of the Covid-19 virus to do so.



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Jan 26, 2021 14:06:17   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Fotoartist wrote:
..........fear of the Covid-19 virus to do so.


Nothing to fear. 25 million cases and near 1/2 million dead Americans.


((( suggest your get a new hobby beyond the election.?)))

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Jan 26, 2021 15:58:21   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Fotoartist wrote:
How do we know the election was stolen?

1. Fabrication Of Phony Votes Filmed In Atlanta
Americans were shocked and aghast as a surveillance video at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta, Georgia — the tabulation center for the election — graphically showed fake ballot manufacturing in progress.
Republican poll watchers and observers asked to leave in the middle of the election night. Once the room was cleared, the election larceny began. Several election officials were filmed pulling out large boxes of ballots from underneath a draped table. Then, they proceeded to tabulate a quantity of fake manufactured ballots estimated to be in the range of tens of thousands.
View the video online.

2. Bribes Paid To Voters To Back Biden
On native American reservations in Arizona and Nevada, media reports recount how “native Americans traded their votes for VISA gift cards, jewelry, and other ‘swag.'”

3. Ballots For Trump Were Destroyed
In Arizona, over 75,000 absentee ballots were reported as unreturned when they were actually returned. These absentee ballots were then either lost or destroyed and/or were replaced with blank ballots filled out by election workers or other third parties.

4. Dead Voters Lined Up for Biden
“In Pennsylvania, matching voter rolls to public obituaries found what appears to be over 8,000 confirmed dead voters successfully casting mail-in ballots.”
In Georgia,10,315 ballots were cast by individuals whose name and date of birth matches a GA resident who died in 2020 prior to the election.

5. The Number of “Indefinitely Confined” Voters Tripled
In Wisconsin, “clerks in Dane and Milwaukee counties offered illegal advice that encouraged individuals to use indefinite confinement as a way to ignore the state’s photo I.D. requirement.”
Under Wisconsin law, each voter may decide for himself if he is indefinitely confined, but the clerks in most WI counties decided that, due to the pandemic, everyone was potentially indefinitely confined and sent out absentee ballots to all voters, totally obviating the state’s photo id law.
The Wisconsin GOP sued, and the state Supreme Court ruled that it was right and that “a county clerk may not “declare” that any elector is indefinitely confined due to a pandemic.” The court said that, “…the presence of a communicable disease such as COVID-19, in and of itself, does not entitle all electors [voters] in Wisconsin to obtain an absentee ballot…” and thus bypass the photo id law.
The number of Wisconsin voters who avoided identity checks by claiming to be “indefinitely confined” surged from just under 70,000 voters in 2019 to over 200,000 in 2020. The extra 130,000 “indefinitely confined” voters were five times Biden’s margin in Wisconsin.
The Trump campaign contends that “more than 28,000 votes were counted from people who failed to provide identification by abusing the state’s “indefinitely confined” status, including two Biden electors.”

6. Phony Ids Used To Vote
In a sworn affidavit, a poll worker in testified that “poll workers were instructed to advise people who wanted to register to vote and did not have proper Nevada IDs or Driver’s Licenses to do the following: These unregistered voters could go outside into the parking lot and make an appointment with the Department of Motor Vehicles as late as January 2021 to obtain a Nevada Driver’s License as proof of their identity. They could then bring in confirmation of their DMV appointment in either paper or digital form; and that would be sufficient to allow them to be registered.”

7. Voters Who Had Moved Away Voted Anyway
In Georgia, over 20,000 people appear to have sent a Notice of Changed Address form to the Georgia state government or had other indications of moving out of state. Yet, these clearly ineligible out- of-state voters appeared to have remained on the voter rolls and voted in the 2020 election.

8. Signatures Were Not Verified
In Georgia, the Secretary of State, and future governor, Brian Kemp, both supposedly Republicans, actually agreed to relax signature verification on mailed and absentee ballots so that only one signature verification was required, even though state law required two.

9. Naked Unsigned Ballots Were Counted
Democrat poll workers in Pennsylvania discarding the signed outer envelope in which paper ballots had been sent in. With just the “naked” ballot, there was no way to determine the voter’s eligibility,
While Pennsylvania law requires that the outer envelope be signed in order for the vote to be counted, the Secretary of State, Kathy Boockvar — a staunch Democrat — issued “guidance” saying that naked ballots had to be counted anyway.
Even when the Pennsylvania Supreme Court rejected Boockvar’s “guidance,” she insisted that the naked ballots be counted, and they were included in the tally.
Since polling showed that Biden won over 75% of all mail ballots (while Trump won 80% of in person election day votes), the Boockvar ruling had a lot to do with the Democrats stealing Pennsylvania’s twenty electoral votes.
In Wisconsin, “Nearly 6,000 absentee ballots were counted that were contained in incomplete and altered ballot envelopes that the Wisconsin statutes expressly forbid.”

10. Republican Observers Were Barred From Vote Tabulation Centers
During the actual vote tabulation in 2020 and in subsequent recounts, Republicans were barred from monitoring what was happening.
Navarro reports that “in Georgia Michigan, and Pennsylvania, poll watchers and observers were denied entry to ballot counting centers by Judges of Elections and other poll workers. This was despite presenting proper certification and identification.”
In these three states — and also in Nevada — “Republican poll watchers were also forced inside confined areas, thereby limiting their view. In some cases, this confinement was enforced by local law enforcement.
In Michigan poll workers put up poster boards on the windows of the room where ballots were being processed and counted so as to block the view. In Pennsylvania, tens of thousands of ballots were processed in back rooms where poll observers were prohibited from being able to observe at all.

11. Defective Paper Ballots Were “Cured”
In Pennsylvania, contrary to state law, poll workers were trained to allow voters to cure or “correct” their ballots. According to one court filing, Democrat-controlled counties in Pennsylvania participated in pre-canvass activities prior to Election Day “by reviewing received mail-in ballots for deficiencies” such as “lacking the inner secrecy envelope or lacking a signature of the elector on the outer declaration envelope.” Voters were then notified so that they could cure their ballots – which, Navarro points out, was a clear violation of state law.”
In one Pennsylvania precinct, Republican poll workers saw their Democratic counterparts sort approximately 4,500 ballots with various errors into bins. Poll workers then re-filled out the 4,500 ballots so that they could be read by tabulation machines, an action contrary to state law.
In Michigan, poll workers altered the dates on the outer envelopes of the ballots so that they would be able to count them.
Mich. poll workers also filled out blank ballots to “correct” mail-in and absentee ballots according to what they believed the “voter had intended.”
12. Ballots Arriving Late Were Counted…Illegally
In Pennsylvania, 630,000 votes arrived after election day, almost ten percent of the 7 million votes cast. State law required that no late votes be counted. But the Pennsylvania Supreme Court — a solidly Democratic bench — overrode the Legislature and required that votes be counted if they arrived within three days after election day.
13. Votes Were Cast In The Names Of Ineligible Voters
In Georgia, 2,506 ballots were cast by individuals whose name and date of birth matches an incarcerated felon in a Georgia prison.

Also, in Georgia, 4,502 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who do not appear on the state’s voter rolls. 18,325 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who registered to vote using an address listed as vacant according to the postal service. At least 86,880 ballots were cast by people whose registrations were illegally backdated.

In a letter to the Georgia secretary of state, Trump attorney Cleta Mitchell cited similar numbers:
• “In 2016, 3.5% of absentee or mail-in ballots were rejected.
• In 2018, 2.9% were rejected
• But in 2020, only 0.3% were tossed out. Thirty times less than in 2016.”

In the key swing states, the evidence of fraud in the ballot counting was especially clear.
I told the president as the dimensions of the Democratic fraud became apparent that he was like he was running up the stairs while Biden was just riding the escalator of fraudulent votes.
The president kept insisting that he won the election by a lot, noting that when a Republican carries Florida and Ohio, he always wins.

Since the bulk of the fraud in the 2020 election was aimed at paper ballots, we have to ask the fundamental question: How did the Democrats get people to use paper mail-in or absentee ballots in 2020?
In 2016, only a quarter of Americans voted by mail or on paper ballots. But in the 2020 election, half did. How did the Democrats do it?

They harnessed and inflamed fear of the Covid-19 virus to do so.
How do we know the election was stolen? br br 1. ... (show quote)


WOW, you are right, the election was stolen. You have all the evidence right here so why are you here on UHH?

If I were you I would jump on the next jet to Mar-A-Lago and show trump. Tell him that you would make

a better lawyer than stupid Rudy and you will do it for $10,000 a day. Good luck and drop us a line and let us

know how you are doing.

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