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Oct 17, 2012 10:16:14   #
emmons267 Loc: Arizona, Valley of the Sun
 
Mmabend wrote:
Absolutely agree. I am on UHH daily. Two things always bug me. Not enough info and the pretentious, arrogant, condescending responses and advice.



Absolutely agree with you and VHD-Tex... Amazing how so many people can make an issue of something that is common sense on a photography forum and Soooooooooooo simple...lol.

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Oct 17, 2012 10:33:54   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
OnDSnap wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
OnDSnap wrote:
Mt, must be getting cold out there, I didn't recognize you with the coat and hat on...snow yet?


LOL Its my winter avatar from last year! Icicles in the mousetache and all!

I think you once said that you had just finished using your snowblower when that pic was taken.

It was in the 60's here yesterday - 43 now. Not bad at all.


Soon Jerry, Soon we will be shoveling again...MT, it's a good look for you :)
quote=jerryc41 quote=MT Shooter quote=OnDSnap M... (show quote)


YO, not too soon I hope! I love the snow when it is only an inch or less but I can't shovel it any more.

Jim D

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Oct 17, 2012 11:26:44   #
VHD-Tex Loc: Mc Allen Tx.
 
DK wrote:
I maintain that information is not important because no one is going to take the same photo in the same place. Sorry, I'm not a trivia buff, but now at least if I want to know, the computer will tell me what the trivia was when I look at the photo. In the film days, I never kept track of any f-stops etc because I probably wouldn't encounter the same situation again. I can see where it might be useful in a studio where you want to get the same results every time, but for general shooting, I don't see a need.
I maintain that information is not important becau... (show quote)


DK-- An example if I may. I saw a number of questions regarding the Sigma 150-500 lens for a time. If we could see more shots with this lens perhaps the questions would be answered. If the person does not reveal that he is shooting with this lens, questions might remain. Same thing with cameras. How many times have you seen on the thread regarding what camera should I purchase or is this camera better then this one and so on and on. By seeing what folks are actually using sorta gives one perspective. Not losing sleep over this. Just a thought.

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Oct 17, 2012 11:42:46   #
-lois- Loc: Oregon
 
I don't pay any attention to what I shot at...sorry, but that is the truth. And I'm wondering why it matters to someone else? What do you use the info for? I guess I assume no one uses the info, like me...so, it's just curiosity. I'm not being snarky...I'm curious...what would you use it for? What would I use it for? Anybody out there do the same? I know the data is there if I want it...

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Oct 17, 2012 11:47:45   #
-lois- Loc: Oregon
 
most of us don't shoot the latest and greatest. Isnt this assuming its the camera workings taking the awesome shot and not the photographer?

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Oct 17, 2012 12:08:41   #
MagicFad Loc: Clermont, FL
 
-lois- wrote:
most of us don't shoot the latest and greatest. Isnt this assuming its the camera workings taking the awesome shot and not the photographer?

It helps new and old a like to know if a photo was taken at a fast -f-stop or a slower one, a fast shutter speed or a slow one. Even what focal length was used is helpful to educate all. A fast shutter speed would freeze the dirt on a reining horse doing a slide stop while a slower speed would blur that same dust, the info is helpful. This information helps to inform others as to the "hows" of a photo,, that's the reason for the curiosity. Of course lighting conditions will be different but at least there is a starting point to get the effect wanted. AND..NO it's not assuming the camera settings are taking the awesome shot, that is always in the eye of the beholder, even an awesome photographer has to start with some type of correct technical settings for the subject.
If you want technical settings just ask, those who want to help will, those who don't won't.

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Oct 17, 2012 13:32:33   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
"Store original -- if checked, original image files will be stored under "Download" link next to the downsized image. If unchecked, only inline thumbnails will remain. Please only enable this option if you need to attach images that require high resolution versions to be kept, such as panoramas. This option only applies to JPG files."

"Store Original" is a clueless designation, and fonfusing. It should indicate that EXIF info is viewable when checked.

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Oct 17, 2012 16:15:29   #
Robeng Loc: California
 
MT Shooter wrote:
If you need to know, just ask. Seems simple to me.


Copy that!

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Oct 17, 2012 17:10:40   #
rts2568
 
VHD-Tex wrote:
Every since I have been a member of UHH I have wondered why folks who post pictures seldom tell us what equipment they are using. Most will give you the info if you asked them and thats great however, it would be a plus if every one would take a few moments to let us have a little more info about the capture. How many times have I seen a really wonderful shot and wonder just how that person got that, what equipment, ISO, F stop and so on. I know that you cannot make this mandatory but maybe we can encourage it. What do you think? Just a thought.
Every since I have been a member of UHH I have won... (show quote)


To VHD-Tex
From rts2568

Hi VHD-Tex, I'm sometimes interested in the shooting details too, but then I'd ask if it wasn't available. If the download exif doesn't contain that data then It probably won't be remembered anyway. Any questions I'd ask however, would be very specific.

Otherwise, I have to ask why you need to know?

You don't mention your reason for your enquiry. You have some good replies already, a couple of arrogantly unnecessary time wasters as well but no one I've seen has asked you why you suggest this sort of detail is necessary.

If you can't tell from the picture what you might need to do to arrive at a similar result, then perhaps you need to learn to understand the relationship between the manual settings. The reason for my mentioning this is that if that sort of information was supplied, then it would be automatically recorded info which would only be of any value to the photographer, not outsiders. So my question, what do you think you can achieve or learn from someone elses exif information?

The point being here, if you are using a camera of today, then your camera is more likely to be setting the camera, outside of your knowledge anyway, so what would you gain. If you are experienced and using the manual settings, then you probably know enough to observe competently, the likely settings that would be needed to take such a photograph anyway and would therefore have no interest in what someone else used; unless perhaps where you want to take exactly the same subject and can't decide what settings work with. Of course this would suggest that you aren't prepared to take more than one bracketed photograph, so why?

I'm curious why you think that the supply of this information would be of help to you.

It would help us reply to you, in this case, if you give us sufficient information, specific to your question. Maybe a specific reason for your question just might stop many of the arrogant, time wasting replies?

rts2568

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Oct 17, 2012 18:35:30   #
VHD-Tex Loc: Mc Allen Tx.
 
rts2568 wrote:
VHD-Tex wrote:
Every since I have been a member of UHH I have wondered why folks who post pictures seldom tell us what equipment they are using. Most will give you the info if you asked them and thats great however, it would be a plus if every one would take a few moments to let us have a little more info about the capture. How many times have I seen a really wonderful shot and wonder just how that person got that, what equipment, ISO, F stop and so on. I know that you cannot make this mandatory but maybe we can encourage it. What do you think? Just a thought.
Every since I have been a member of UHH I have won... (show quote)


To VHD-Tex
From rts2568

Hi VHD-Tex, I'm sometimes interested in the shooting details too, but then I'd ask if it wasn't available. If the download exif doesn't contain that data then It probably won't be remembered anyway. Any questions I'd ask however, would be very specific.

Otherwise, I have to ask why you need to know?

You don't mention your reason for your enquiry. You have some good replies already, a couple of arrogantly unnecessary time wasters as well but no one I've seen has asked you why you suggest this sort of detail is necessary.

If you can't tell from the picture what you might need to do to arrive at a similar result, then perhaps you need to learn to understand the relationship between the manual settings. The reason for my mentioning this is that if that sort of information was supplied, then it would be automatically recorded info which would only be of any value to the photographer, not outsiders. So my question, what do you think you can achieve or learn from someone elses exif information?

The point being here, if you are using a camera of today, then your camera is more likely to be setting the camera, outside of your knowledge anyway, so what would you gain. If you are experienced and using the manual settings, then you probably know enough to observe competently, the likely settings that would be needed to take such a photograph anyway and would therefore have no interest in what someone else used; unless perhaps where you want to take exactly the same subject and can't decide what settings work with. Of course this would suggest that you aren't prepared to take more than one bracketed photograph, so why?

I'm curious why you think that the supply of this information would be of help to you.

It would help us reply to you, in this case, if you give us sufficient information, specific to your question. Maybe a specific reason for your question just might stop many of the arrogant, time wasting replies?

rts2568
quote=VHD-Tex Every since I have been a member of... (show quote)


Really good points rts Its not really for me only. I just thought that it would be helpful to others who might be interested in learning about lenses and cameras etc....As for me, I have all the stuff I need and my wife reminds me of that every time a new B&H catalog shows up in our mail-box. Also you might see my thoughts above on this matter. Thanks for your input.

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Oct 17, 2012 18:38:34   #
Beercan31 Loc: Lost & Found
 
Mmabend wrote:
Absolutely agree. I am on UHH daily. Two things always bug me. Not enough info and the pretentious, arrogant, condescending responses and advice.


:thumbup:

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Oct 17, 2012 19:01:28   #
rts2568
 
VHD-Tex wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
VHD-Tex wrote:
Every since I have been a member of UHH I have wondered why folks who post pictures seldom tell us what equipment they are using. Most will give you the info if you asked them and thats great however, it would be a plus if every one would take a few moments to let us have a little more info about the capture. How many times have I seen a really wonderful shot and wonder just how that person got that, what equipment, ISO, F stop and so on. I know that you cannot make this mandatory but maybe we can encourage it. What do you think? Just a thought.
Every since I have been a member of UHH I have won... (show quote)


To VHD-Tex
From rts2568

Hi VHD-Tex, I'm sometimes interested in the shooting details too, but then I'd ask if it wasn't available. If the download exif doesn't contain that data then It probably won't be remembered anyway. Any questions I'd ask however, would be very specific.

Otherwise, I have to ask why you need to know?

You don't mention your reason for your enquiry. You have some good replies already, a couple of arrogantly unnecessary time wasters as well but no one I've seen has asked you why you suggest this sort of detail is necessary.

If you can't tell from the picture what you might need to do to arrive at a similar result, then perhaps you need to learn to understand the relationship between the manual settings. The reason for my mentioning this is that if that sort of information was supplied, then it would be automatically recorded info which would only be of any value to the photographer, not outsiders. So my question, what do you think you can achieve or learn from someone elses exif information?

The point being here, if you are using a camera of today, then your camera is more likely to be setting the camera, outside of your knowledge anyway, so what would you gain. If you are experienced and using the manual settings, then you probably know enough to observe competently, the likely settings that would be needed to take such a photograph anyway and would therefore have no interest in what someone else used; unless perhaps where you want to take exactly the same subject and can't decide what settings work with. Of course this would suggest that you aren't prepared to take more than one bracketed photograph, so why?

I'm curious why you think that the supply of this information would be of help to you.

It would help us reply to you, in this case, if you give us sufficient information, specific to your question. Maybe a specific reason for your question just might stop many of the arrogant, time wasting replies?

rts2568
quote=VHD-Tex Every since I have been a member of... (show quote)


Really good points rts Its not really for me only. I just thought that it would be helpful to others who might be interested in learning about lenses and cameras etc....As for me, I have all the stuff I need and my wife reminds me of that every time a new B&H catalog shows up in our mail-box. Also you might see my thoughts above on this matter. Thanks for your input.
quote=rts2568 quote=VHD-Tex Every since I have b... (show quote)


To VHD-Tex
From rts2568

You are right to raise points, specifically to supply information that you observe is not widely understood, I will often do that also, in the hope that some sensible understanding establishes itself out there, somewhere.

Glad to have been of some help anyway.

rts2568

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Oct 17, 2012 19:04:35   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
VHD-Tex wrote:
Every since I have been a member of UHH I have wondered why folks who post pictures seldom tell us what equipment they are using. Most will give you the info if you asked them and thats great however, it would be a plus if every one would take a few moments to let us have a little more info about the capture. How many times have I seen a really wonderful shot and wonder just how that person got that, what equipment, ISO, F stop and so on. I know that you cannot make this mandatory but maybe we can encourage it. What do you think? Just a thought.
Every since I have been a member of UHH I have won... (show quote)


Do chefs tell you what brand of pot they use?

Now giving the ISO, shutter speed, and f-stop and describing any post processing would be more like a chef giving you their recipie. Some will, some won't.

As noted if they upload a full file using "store original" the EXIF will give you all but the processing answer.

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Oct 17, 2012 19:20:37   #
Treepusher Loc: Kingston, Massachusetts
 
LACK of arrogant, condescending, and pretentious posts are exactly the reason I joined this site. The VAST majority of responses here are helpful and encouraging.

There are plenty of other photography sites and forums out there, and having lurked about and read the nasty, vitriolic posts in many of them, the Ugly Hedgehog is far and away the most civil and helpful site I've come across.

Is it perfect? No--there's always the 'RTFM' response, but these are rare. Almost without exception, I've found the folks here willing to explain and share what they've learned, and have yet to see/hear anyone refuse to reveal what settings or equipment they might have used to get that great--or not so great--shot.

Long live UHH!

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Oct 17, 2012 20:02:03   #
rts2568
 
Treepusher wrote:
LACK of arrogant, condescending, and pretentious posts are exactly the reason I joined this site. The VAST majority of responses here are helpful and encouraging.

There are plenty of other photography sites and forums out there, and having lurked about and read the nasty, vitriolic posts in many of them, the Ugly Hedgehog is far and away the most civil and helpful site I've come across.

Is it perfect? No--there's always the 'RTFM' response, but these are rare. Almost without exception, I've found the folks here willing to explain and share what they've learned, and have yet to see/hear anyone refuse to reveal what settings or equipment they might have used to get that great--or not so great--shot.

Long live UHH!
LACK of arrogant, condescending, and pretentious p... (show quote)



To TreePusher
From rts2568

Here, here, TreePusher,

You can't avoid the wasters all the time but with a little concerted effort you can often shut them up. UHH, as you point out is a place to learn and mostly, that is the case. This site certainly covers a wide diversity of understanding, from none to quite a bit and hopefully that flow from the bottom to the top will be UHH's accolade.

rts2568

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