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Oct 17, 2012 12:43:35   #
Brian in Whitby Loc: Whitby, Ontario, Canada
 
The f/2.8 is only one stop more than the f/4
The IS in the f/4 should more than compensate for the slightly slower lens.
You should be able too use at least up to ISO 800 without any undue noise.
I would stick with the lens you have.

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Oct 17, 2012 12:50:35   #
mashooter
 
turtles2 wrote:
I shoot a 7d. Normally use 15-85mm. I am wanting to start shooting my kids sports. I have been told about the 70-200mm f2.8. My friend has it and looks great, when I went to the store, the clerk actually suggested to me the 70-200mm f4, she said it has IS and the 2.8 does not. I will be normally taking these sports photos outside so she said I would not need the 2.8. I got the one she suggested, I played with it tonight, it was on the darker side this evening, my ISO had to be higher to let the light in. Pics okay, not great. Not sharp at all, quite a bit of noise when cropped in but on a whole without any cropping they look okay.

Wondering if I made a mistake with this lens? Should I have gotten the 2.8? Why? I can still return this lens and switch it. Will the IS make a huge difference? The lens I use now has IS.

Thanks in advance for your opinions.

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I shoot a 7d. Normally use 15-85mm. I am wanting ... (show quote)


take it back; get the 2.8 with is. the 2.8 comes with IS and it is a great lens. You will like the extra ability with the 2.8

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Oct 17, 2012 14:10:24   #
Festina Lente Loc: Florida & Missouri
 
Fran wrote:
rwdaley wrote:
Have you thought of using a mono pod? Tripods are ideal but a mono pod is far better than hand-held. A mono pod is handy too,carrying the camera & attached lens is far easier. I sling my rig over my shoulder as I walk to the field. Turn off IS and snap away! But if you are absolute on hand held IS is necessary.

I turn IS off on the tripod. But I never turn it off when it is on the monopod since there still might be some camera movement. Is it recommended to turn it off when using a monopod?
quote=rwdaley Have you thought of using a mono po... (show quote)
No. It is best to leave it on when using a hand supported monopod.

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Oct 17, 2012 14:15:24   #
Festina Lente Loc: Florida & Missouri
 
imagemeister wrote:
Shooting sports - you do NOT need IS. You should be able to turn up the ISO to at least 1600 without image degradation. From an exposure standpoint, the 1 stop speed increase with the 2.8 is practically negligible and you will loose some DOF - but maybe more importantly, it will give you marginally faster and more accurate AF and later if you want more magnification, you can put a 2X behind it and still have AF. You can pick up the older 80-200 Canon on e-Bay for around $800 - as sharp or sharper than the newer ones. The 70-200 F4 is a GREAT lens !
Shooting sports - you do NOT need IS. You should b... (show quote)

I don't understand.
IS / VR allows faster shutter speeds at the same aperature.
IS will also allow you a greater DOF for the same reason.
Am I misinterpreting what you are saying?
Or am I confused?

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Oct 17, 2012 14:23:52   #
Festina Lente Loc: Florida & Missouri
 
acutance wrote:
I'm not sure why the fuss about IS is when shooting fast moving sports. Sure, if shooting a landscape, you can use slower shutter speeds, but sports subjects will blur at slower shutter speeds, even if the overall shot appears sharp. When I shoot sports, I like to be shooting at 1/500 or better, and at those speeds, I don't think IS is adding much. From your sample, it appears you are shooting young kids, on small fields, and can get close. For high school and up, I find the longer reach of a 100-400mm zoom is necessary. As the autumn light wanes, the sports shooter has a real predicament. To keep fast shutter speeds you need high ISO (producing noise) or very expensive, fast glass that will keep your bank account light, and your arms tired, while reducing your "reach," because the lenses aren't as long. Short depth of field at wide apertures is also an issue. My own approach is to get there early, and nail down your shots while the light is good. The 70-200 f/4 is a great lens that I use for "soccer kids," and you don't need IS.
I'm not sure why the fuss about IS is when shootin... (show quote)

Since IS allows you to shoot at a faster shutter speed (1/500th is my recommended minimum) in lower light without degrading the image with a high ISO, I find it invaluable when shooting action sports.

With a telephoto reaching across the field, I prefer 1/2000 second exposures to freeze rapid movements. IS helps me do that.

The Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L IS III USM offers the equivlent of 3 f/stops, which I find to be a HUGE difference when shooting anything that is moving quickly or whenever hand holding the camera.

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Oct 17, 2012 14:59:12   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Festina Lente wrote:
imagemeister wrote:
Shooting sports - you do NOT need IS. You should be able to turn up the ISO to at least 1600 without image degradation. From an exposure standpoint, the 1 stop speed increase with the 2.8 is practically negligible and you will loose some DOF - but maybe more importantly, it will give you marginally faster and more accurate AF and later if you want more magnification, you can put a 2X behind it and still have AF. You can pick up the older 80-200 Canon on e-Bay for around $800 - as sharp or sharper than the newer ones. The 70-200 F4 is a GREAT lens !
Shooting sports - you do NOT need IS. You should b... (show quote)

I don't understand.
IS / VR allows faster shutter speeds at the same aperature.
IS will also allow you a greater DOF for the same reason.
Am I misinterpreting what you are saying?
Or am I confused?
quote=imagemeister Shooting sports - you do NOT n... (show quote)


Hmmm, maybe we'er both confused? If you are shooting sports, ostensibly you are shooting at 1/500 or faster of rapidly moving subjects in order to stop action - correct ? ( or slower if you deliberately want to blur) If you are badly hand holding, IS may do something for you - especially if you do want to partial blur the action only and not add shake/blur. Only if you are hand holding MAY IS help your IQ. You may also be on a monopod ( at least for the weight control/ergonomics) in which case you should have IS turned off. Something else to consider is that IS has the possibility of slowing down your AF which is somewhat undesireable.

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Oct 17, 2012 15:18:58   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
imagemeister wrote:
Something else to consider is that IS has the possibility of slowing down your AF which is somewhat undesireable.


That is the biggest problem when using IS. It is the reason Canon does not suggest using it on a tripod. It is aso the reason I don't use it on a monopod either. If I blow a photo due to focus I want it to be my fault, not because the lens or camera could not lock on.

Jim D

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Oct 17, 2012 16:32:30   #
Wonka Loc: Reno NV.
 
Check for pricing on adorama or b&h photo these are very trustworthy and reliable sites with very competative pricing.

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Oct 17, 2012 16:50:42   #
Ferenco Loc: Swansea, UK
 
Excellent advice!
Couldnt have put it better myself

F

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Oct 17, 2012 16:58:56   #
Wonka Loc: Reno NV.
 
I also own the 70-200 I.S and get great pics. practice, practice, practice. I would recomend trying it on the mono pod with I.S. on for sure. If you are able to get that steady of a shot on the mono pod wiith I.S off I would return the 4L for the 2.8 non I.S. Its like $1300 or even the first version of the 2.8 I.S. I believe it's also under $2000 the 70-200 2.8 I.S. II is $2200 at Adorama .com

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Oct 17, 2012 18:52:59   #
WildBill Loc: South West Florida
 
turtles2 wrote:
Thanks Wild Bill! What would you buy? I don't think I want a prime 200mm lens, but that price is great!

Basically if I return what I have the e; 70-200mm f4 iS USM, I am looking at $300. For the non IS, more like 1,000. If I get the IS. I have never shot without the IS. I do want to shoot handheld.

OR am I best to stick with what I have? Do you shoot without IS? I called CNon and talked to a guy before buying this one, and he didn't make it seem necessary, he said people often misunderstand "shake" and he made sure, I understood, it was MY shake, rather than the subject.

I do shake, I know I do, especially with that heavy of a lens...

Not sure my husband will let me do $1,000. more... He doesn't understand. :)
Thanks Wild Bill! What would you buy? I don't th... (show quote)


For what you are doing, I would consider the f2.8 without IS just because price is an issue. I do not take many sports shots outside. Your f4 does wonders for my uses. I have IS and non-IS lenses and although I do like the IS, I do not use it for indoor sports. I actually use the prime (85mm f1.8). I like that lens for basketball, volleyball, school orchestra and portraits. With the f1.8, I can shoot with a high shutter speed and low ISO setting and not need the IS. When I drop the shutter speed down for portraits, I am on a tripod and IS has to be shut off anyway.

You have lots of great suggestions. Buying a used lens can get you the better glass you want without breaking the bank. Keh and B&H are great places to look for the right lens at the right price. Go take photos with the f4, f2.8 and f2.8 IS and see which works for you the best. Then, find the way to get the lens you want... new, used ... so you can be happy with your purchase. You are the person you need to please.

Look forward to finding out what you final decision is.

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Oct 17, 2012 19:25:21   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
turtles2 wrote:
I just looked it up, I can't make the IS 2.8 happen, I cant get away with $4,000. on a lens right now, so with that said would the one without IS be better still?


Take a look at B&H see below

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=680103&Q=&is=USA&A=details

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Oct 17, 2012 23:52:36   #
turtles2
 
Thanks all! I made the switch today! I took back the f4 and got the 2.8 non IS. So far I LOVE IT!!! I have not been back to soccer but I did get some fun pics of my puppy. They are NOT crystal clear, I am new at this action thing and this little guy is FAST! I just wanted to post this and say Thanks for your help again, I'll post some of soccer when I get them.





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Oct 18, 2012 00:00:49   #
turtles2
 
I know there is a lot wrong with this last photo, but I had my camera outside while my kids were playing and I just wanted to see how it worked so I shot, I am not unhappy with how it turned out for being one of my first shots with my new lens.

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Oct 18, 2012 02:13:13   #
rts2568
 
turtles2 wrote:
Thanks all! I made the switch today! I took back the f4 and got the 2.8 non IS. So far I LOVE IT!!! I have not been back to soccer but I did get some fun pics of my puppy. They are NOT crystal clear, I am new at this action thing and this little guy is FAST! I just wanted to post this and say Thanks for your help again, I'll post some of soccer when I get them.


To Turtles2
From rts2568

Thanks for letting us know. Many here will be delighted for you. So your photo is not 'really Pin Sharp'; so what, especially for you first shots? You've got a shot now that you wouldn't have had yesterday and with practice and familiarization, you can only improve.
And anyway, there is always post processing to do a bit of cropping, whether you were using film or digital doesn't matter and that framing will improve with practice too.
Next time experiment with the built in flash, can often help in such lighting - get used to using it and soon you'll know when to and when not to.
Ok, so this one I return to you is at the limit of cropping for this size image but who won't love this little fellow; a moment in history.

Enjoy, this little bundle of joy and the tool which is going to allow you to share such cute images, even when you've got to push the processing sometimes.

rts2568

Bundle of Joy
Bundle of Joy...

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