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Dec 30, 2020 16:54:33   #
baron_silverton Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
lmdavid wrote:
I purchased my first digital Nikon camera almost 20 years ago. I progress from D70 to D200 to D700 and now D750. My D750 is 6 years old and I love using it. My question for the group is should I purchase a D780 or D850? For now not considering the Nikon Z camera basically because I have numerous Nikon or Tamron Lenses and expense is an issue. I do a lot of landscape and macro pics. Thought the D780 would be nice because I do photo stacking for my macro flower pics. Any insights? thanks


I had a D200 and a D750 as well before moving to the Z system and I would not go back. If you are into landscape photography and you want to make large prints then teh 45.7 MP sensor on the Z7 (or Z7 II) will make better images than your D750.

There are many advantages to having the EVF in a mirrorless camera - one of which is playback of shots while you are out in the sun - it is very easy to view your photos without glare which is very nice -there are other perks as well - histogram, focus peaking, see your exposure - just to name a few.

The FTZ adaptor works perfectly with non-screw drive Nikon lenses - it actually makes many lenses better than using them on a DSLR because you gain some image stabilization on lenses that do not have it and the focus points are virtually edge to edge - a much better shooting experience.

As far as Tamron lenses go, all of their SP line is now compatible with firmware upgrades (that you can do yourself with the Tap In Console). The only possible Tamron lens that may still not have an update is the 90mm 2.8 Macro, but I know they intend to update it, and it may be done by now - that was the only one that wasn't the last time I checked but that was a while ago and they are going to update it. I have personally used the following SP Tamron lenses, after updating the firmware, with the Z system and FTZ adaptor and they work perfectly: 24-70 2.8 G2, 70-200 2.8 G2, 35mm 1.4, 35mm 1.8VC, 45mm 1.8VC, 85mm 1.8VC and the DX 18-400 - these all work perfectly.

Also, Tamron and Sigma have stated that they will be putting out lenses for the Z system - probably starting in 2021 - so you will be able to buy budget leses for the system soon - Viltrox has already released an 85mm 1.8 with autofocus for the Z system that apparently works great and there are many 3rd party manual lenses already. Additionally, you can adapt Sony E mount and Canon EF mount to Nikon Z with third party lenses and they work very well too.

There is no reason not to go to the Z system at this point unless you are a hard core sports/action/wildlife photographer as the tracking and eye/face detect AF is still inferior to Sony and Canon, but it is very close now - easily good enough for portrait and event type shooting, and next year the Z9 is said to be released with AF tracking at the level of the D6 - so by next year Nikon AF will be class leading.

That all said, for landscape and macro photography you do not need class leading AF and the AF is far and away good enough for this kind of shooting and general shooting. You will likely be manually focusing a lot and the Z system is great for that - it has focus peaking and a light that illuminates when you get your subject in focus. You can also zoom in 100% in the viewfinder to confirm focus - it is much better than manual focusing on a DSLR.

Because you do not need high frame rates or the best tracking AF, you could buy the Z7 (not the Z7 II) and save money as they are going cheaper now with the release of the Z7 II. For your type of photography, you will be sacrificing nothing and saving money. The sensor is the same on both cameras and equivalent also to the venerable D850.

I think the Z 7 (version 1) with an FTZ is the best way for you to move forward. It brings you into the mirrorless world and Z system - going forward when you do buy lenses you can buy Z lenses which are generally best in class across the board.

Simply put - mirrorless is the future and the Z7 will work great for all of your use cases.

Hope this helps :)

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Dec 30, 2020 17:05:07   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
BobHartung wrote:
The FTZ adapter for the Z series cameras works like a charm and AFAIK all F mount lenses will work using it especially with the FTZ firmware update installed. I am not sure about the Tamron lenses but I'm sure that there is published information out there in the ether.

FYI I am going to list my no longer used D-850 later today so watch the For Sale section. It is the last of my Nikon SLR gear.


All of the original (AF) lenses that have the (old) "screwdriver" type of AF will NOT autofocus with the FTZ adsapter.

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Dec 30, 2020 17:26:48   #
rkaminer Loc: New York, NY
 
I owned a Z6 since they came out, I think about 2 years and it is my favorite camera. I just sold the last of my old Nikon lens a 70-200 f2.8 and never looked back. Not much else to say other than this camera is a winner.

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Dec 30, 2020 17:29:30   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
I have two D750's. They are amazing. Focusing on being a better photographer. I see no need to change.

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Dec 30, 2020 18:54:14   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Miami39 wrote:
I am not sure that it is worth it to trade a D75O for the D780. Oddly enough, I faced a similar decision and just bought a used D750 at a very good price. I think that it is a terrific camera. You may take a fairly large loss if you trade it w/o much gain. I looked at a Z6ii and decided to go for a used D750. The D850 is a great camera but it is heavier. Do you need such large files? The D780, D850 and the Z cameras do not have built in flashes, if that is important to you. Nikon claims that removal of the flash was for weather sealing purposes. If you use a flash, you will have to buy one and carry that around as well.

While this might help, I also have a Fuji XT2 with several lenses. It certainly is lighter but I like the quality of the Nikon pictures better.

Bottom line is what is important: Newer model, features, larger files or weight. Personally, I think that you will be fine with the D750.
I am not sure that it is worth it to trade a D75O ... (show quote)


Totally ignoring that he wants the focus stacking capability.

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Dec 30, 2020 18:58:31   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
baron_silverton wrote:
I had a D200 and a D750 as well before moving to the Z system and I would not go back. If you are into landscape photography and you want to make large prints then teh 45.7 MP sensor on the Z7 (or Z7 II) will make better images than your D750.

There are many advantages to having the EVF in a mirrorless camera - one of which is playback of shots while you are out in the sun - it is very easy to view your photos without glare which is very nice -there are other perks as well - histogram, focus peaking, see your exposure - just to name a few.

The FTZ adaptor works perfectly with non-screw drive Nikon lenses - it actually makes many lenses better than using them on a DSLR because you gain some image stabilization on lenses that do not have it and the focus points are virtually edge to edge - a much better shooting experience.

As far as Tamron lenses go, all of their SP line is now compatible with firmware upgrades (that you can do yourself with the Tap In Console). The only possible Tamron lens that may still not have an update is the 90mm 2.8 Macro, but I know they intend to update it, and it may be done by now - that was the only one that wasn't the last time I checked but that was a while ago and they are going to update it. I have personally used the following SP Tamron lenses, after updating the firmware, with the Z system and FTZ adaptor and they work perfectly: 24-70 2.8 G2, 70-200 2.8 G2, 35mm 1.4, 35mm 1.8VC, 45mm 1.8VC, 85mm 1.8VC and the DX 18-400 - these all work perfectly.

Also, Tamron and Sigma have stated that they will be putting out lenses for the Z system - probably starting in 2021 - so you will be able to buy budget leses for the system soon - Viltrox has already released an 85mm 1.8 with autofocus for the Z system that apparently works great and there are many 3rd party manual lenses already. Additionally, you can adapt Sony E mount and Canon EF mount to Nikon Z with third party lenses and they work very well too.

There is no reason not to go to the Z system at this point unless you are a hard core sports/action/wildlife photographer as the tracking and eye/face detect AF is still inferior to Sony and Canon, but it is very close now - easily good enough for portrait and event type shooting, and next year the Z9 is said to be released with AF tracking at the level of the D6 - so by next year Nikon AF will be class leading.

That all said, for landscape and macro photography you do not need class leading AF and the AF is far and away good enough for this kind of shooting and general shooting. You will likely be manually focusing a lot and the Z system is great for that - it has focus peaking and a light that illuminates when you get your subject in focus. You can also zoom in 100% in the viewfinder to confirm focus - it is much better than manual focusing on a DSLR.

Because you do not need high frame rates or the best tracking AF, you could buy the Z7 (not the Z7 II) and save money as they are going cheaper now with the release of the Z7 II. For your type of photography, you will be sacrificing nothing and saving money. The sensor is the same on both cameras and equivalent also to the venerable D850.

I think the Z 7 (version 1) with an FTZ is the best way for you to move forward. It brings you into the mirrorless world and Z system - going forward when you do buy lenses you can buy Z lenses which are generally best in class across the board.

Simply put - mirrorless is the future and the Z7 will work great for all of your use cases.

Hope this helps :)
I had a D200 and a D750 as well before moving to t... (show quote)


I’ve heard that the Tamron 90 f/2.8 macro doesn’t work and I know there are different versions of that lens. I know I’ve had mine for several years and it works flawlessly on my Z7 with the adapter. I’ve done focus stacks over 200 images with it.

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Dec 30, 2020 19:15:56   #
Reno
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Does a scratch on the body impact the images? If you're trying to 'buy' better images, you'll be wasting your money. You bought the best at 24MP for a 10+ year useful life when you bought the D750. There's no reason to be lusting for anything else at this point as the performance at more megapixels doesn't make the pronounced difference as it did from say the D700 to D750.


I'm a big fan of your technical posts, but here you are missing the train. There are many reasons to upgrade a camera that have nothing to do with a better image from the new camera. If the upgrade has new features that enhance one's probability to get good pictures, it may be worth the upgrade. For example, people who shoot portraits may consider eye focus a worthwhile improvement to guarantee good focus. Not to speak of birders, with the eye focus locked on birds the R5 is capable of. I could go on with examples! But, how about the fact that a new camera may just be the motivating factor someone needs to get back into the game? None of this has to do with better images, but will justify for some to upgrade.

Wishing you a happy New Year!

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Dec 30, 2020 19:40:38   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
lmdavid wrote:
I purchased my first digital Nikon camera almost 20 years ago. I progress from D70 to D200 to D700 and now D750. My D750 is 6 years old and I love using it. My question for the group is should I purchase a D780 or D850? For now not considering the Nikon Z camera basically because I have numerous Nikon or Tamron Lenses and expense is an issue. I do a lot of landscape and macro pics. Thought the D780 would be nice because I do photo stacking for my macro flower pics. Any insights? thanks


I like you have thought about the focus stacking ability of the 780 and 850. For that choice I would buy the 850. Hopefully your computer is ok with the larger files but price wise and feature wise I would go with the 850. I have a D500 and went with the helicon system for focus stacking. 500.00 bucks and I really only wanted an 850 for that ability. Go big or go home. Lol. Just kidding. My opinion but your choice.

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Dec 30, 2020 20:19:23   #
MichaelMcGrath Loc: Ireland
 
I still use the old D800, 36 megapixels is plenty for me and at least I don't get any moire.

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Dec 30, 2020 22:31:20   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Reno wrote:
I'm a big fan of your technical posts, but here you are missing the train. There are many reasons to upgrade a camera that have nothing to do with a better image from the new camera. If the upgrade has new features that enhance one's probability to get good pictures, it may be worth the upgrade. For example, people who shoot portraits may consider eye focus a worthwhile improvement to guarantee good focus. Not to speak of birders, with the eye focus locked on birds the R5 is capable of. I could go on with examples! But, how about the fact that a new camera may just be the motivating factor someone needs to get back into the game? None of this has to do with better images, but will justify for some to upgrade.

Wishing you a happy New Year!
I'm a big fan of your technical posts, but here yo... (show quote)


Exactly my point. Most modern cameras are capable of great IQ. For me the number one reason to upgrade is enhanced user experience.

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Dec 30, 2020 23:45:28   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
I would keep the D750 over the D780 unless video is your thing and the D780 doesn't have an on board flash, a game changer in my opinion. The D850 has the most pixels, would be a good choice if you do a lot of cropping and is the largest and heaviest camera of the group. Don't know what one would be best for focus stacking.

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Dec 31, 2020 07:23:25   #
MichaelMcGrath Loc: Ireland
 
MichaelMcGrath wrote:
I still use the old D800, 36 megapixels is plenty for me and at least I don't get any moire.


- and in fact I'm still getting brilliant portraiture from the Canon 1Ds Mark 111.

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Dec 31, 2020 15:13:40   #
MichaelMcGrath Loc: Ireland
 
Strodav wrote:
For your type of photography you probably want to capture the most detail possible, so I would recommend the 45.7mp D850, which is arguably the best dslr ever made. It has a built in focus stacking feature, which is great for macro work and the focus peaking feature is great for landscapes. I use a D500 for wildlife / birding and the D850 for everything else. The D850 is an amazing camera.

I'm sure I'd get as good photos with my excellent condition low usage D800, less danger of Moire anyway!

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Dec 31, 2020 17:58:21   #
Miami39 Loc: Florida
 
I wish all of you a Happy and Healthy New Year. It is interesting to read what features are important to each of you but, in candor, my favorite cameras all were Nikon film cameras and my Leica M6. I have been taking pictures for many years and never heard of focus stacking until I read this thread. I bought a used D750 at a good price from Adorama in order to use my old Nikon lenses. My walk-around camera is a Leica Type 109. While not on the level of an M6, it takes really nice pictures. I am not ready to trade up to a D780 or D850 but who knows. In any event, I have enjoyed reading everyone’s comments and look forward to traveling again. Best to all. Stay safe.

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Dec 31, 2020 18:32:00   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
MichaelMcGrath wrote:
I'm sure I'd get as good photos with my excellent condition low usage D800, less danger of Moire anyway!


Keep telling yourself that. I think the whole “moire” thing is overblown. If it was really a problem they wouldn’t be making all the new cameras without anti-aliasing filters.

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