TriX wrote:
Hi Gene,
Thanks for taking the time to respond. So let me take your questions one at a time.
1) neither the lens or the camera is defective. I now use the lens on a 5D4 and while the correction is a little different, it’s still in the same direction and even without the correction, the lens is tack sharp. If you don’t correct your lenses, a correction of + or - 7-10 may seem like a lot - it isn’t. I have 8 Canon lenses, and 6 of then are L series and all of them require some correction to be perfect - it varies from 2-13 in either direction. Let me hasten to add that all of them are perfectly acceptable uncorrected, especially if stopped down a stop or two, but they are measurably better when corrected as I often shoot low light, wide open. And I would mention that is what many feel their lenses don’t require correction: (a) they have never seen them sharper, so they have nothing to compare to, and (b) if you typically stop down a couple of stops (and many do as a matter of course), the DOF “hides” the error.
2) yes, I do use the lens at other distances besides 5-15’, but those were the distances where I typically use the lens and I chose to demonstrate that while the correction does change (and here’s the point), it’s always better than no correction.
3) if you’ll notice the shot at the end taken at infinity, you’ll see that the lens still focuses fine, contrary to the assertion (and what I was demonstrating) that even with a substantial correction, it doesn’t prevent the lens from focusing at infinity.
4) you also asked if I mind a substantial defocus at 3’. The answer is that I rarely use a 135 at less than 3’ (I’ll have to look up the nearest focus for this lens) - I have a closer focusing true macro for those shots.
5) actually FoCal also has a seperate consistency test that defocuses and refocuses the lens multiple times and plots the error. In fact, that’s exactly what it does during the calibration - it defocuses and refocuses the lens multiple times at each correction point and all of those points are plotted on the graph, so it’s immediately apparent if a lens is inconsistent.
And that brings me to another point. The typical user that doesn’t calibrate their lenses doesn’t know (a) if their lens is focusing correctly - they have nothing to compare it to (b) when they acquire a new lens, they have no way of knowing if it’s a good copy except a subjective judgement as to whether a give image looks sharp (c) they also don’t know at what apertures their lens is sharpest (often assuming that’s a couple of stops down, which is NOT true of all lenses) (d) they don’t know how much acuity loss there is caused by diffraction at smaller apertures, and (e) they don’t know the repeatability of the AF. I immediately know all these things about all my lenses, not by subjective judgements, but by actual objective measurements. Later I will add a chart of my various lens vs correction and it will be apparent that almost all benefit from some correction. It may only increase the acuity 5-10%, but since I’m often paying $1000 for a lens or more, I want every last bit of sharpness it can deliver including and especially side open.
I come from a precision measurement and QA perspective where we calibrate all our tools because we know that every dimension and assembly has a tolerance, and if you add two complex assemblies together, the tolerances may stack up so they cancel, making everything “perfect” (which VERY rarely happens), but more likely they add to make the tolerance of the entire system worse than the tolerance of each individual part, so we calibrate the entire assembly, which is what lens calibration does. We also know that if your measurement instrument is flawed, or requires a subjective judgement, then it may lead to wrong conclusions. Case in point. Almost every week an OP posts an unsatisfactory image taken with a new lens or camera and wonders what the issue is. Is it AF, is it movement, is it inadequate DOF or SS? Did he get a “bad copy” of the lens? I never have any of those questions, because for less than $100 for ALL my lenses, present and future, I KNOW that I have a good lens or not and that I’m getting 100% of the acuity I paid for. And I don’t have to live with everything being “within factory tolerance”, but not as good as it could be. I don’t have to have my lens “matched” to a specific body, and I don’t have to ship my lenses and cameras both ways to and from the factory subjecting them to shock or damage which can undo the very reason I had them adjusted. Seems like a bargain to me.
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I don't disagree with any of your results. It shows how well thought out the Focal system is.
However, it is a simple matter to begin testing a newly acquired lens by comparing a PDAF focused image to the CDAF one. This is where you start to see issues if they exist. Then you test that same lens on several bodies, and that will begin to filter out if the issue is lens or camera or both. In my use, the misbehaving components go in for adjustment. Lenses have software and mechanical components that can be adjusted, as do cameras. I sometimes get pushback at Nikon coming from a lazy tech who wants to adjust the body and not lens or vice versa - when I explain that I have multiple bodies and lenses, they usually do what I ask. All I can say is that I am very satisfied with the results I get following this approach. The funny thing is that any camera manual that talks about fine tuning always says it's not necessary if everything is working, but is helpful to make a correction in the field, or if you deliberately want to use defocus as a creative tool - but not as a permanent solution.
If a 4-10 pt difference is not all that much, then why do it in the first place? I can see if you use fast lenses wide open most of the time that accurate focus is important - and in fashion where working distances and focal lengths can become fairly consistent and fine tuning may be useful, but that just doen't work for me.
Oh, and the inability to focus at infinity is only with older lenses that have hard stops for infinity focus. With a large enough adjustment infinity focus could be compromised. Most modern lenses can focus past infinity I think - they would have to for their motors to settle on the correct focus plane at infinity.