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Dec 26, 2020 13:13:04   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
User ID wrote:
IOW all readings require interpretation but it’s a whole lot more in your face obvious when doing incident readings. That means the “incident advantage” is not so much technical as psychological.


And often when using strobes...

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Dec 26, 2020 14:04:31   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
The name “WrongWrongNo” is well earned.

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Dec 26, 2020 15:13:52   #
DennisC. Loc: Antelope, CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Photography is easy, it's learning PhotoShop that's hard.


A two minute how to video should get you up and running...A five minute one and you will have mastered all there is to know.

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Dec 26, 2020 16:15:35   #
jcraigtexas Loc: Des Moines, IA
 
Amen, brother. I'm not a technology guy. Fortunately, I rarely need to make many adjustments in Photoshop.

My favorite camera is still an old Nikon F-3. And there's always an incident meter and a reflection meter in my camera bag and they get used frequently.

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Dec 26, 2020 16:19:16   #
jcraigtexas Loc: Des Moines, IA
 
DennisC. wrote:
A two minute how to video should get you up and running...A five minute one and you will have mastered all there is to know.


That may work for some, but I'm not one. After many videos I end up more confused than when I started.

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Dec 26, 2020 16:24:12   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
The name “WrongWrongNo” is well earned.

Shall I make a derogatory comment about anything you type on UHH?

You seem to need help, psychiatric one that is.

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Dec 26, 2020 17:40:13   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
jcraigtexas wrote:
That may work for some, but I'm not one. After many videos I end up more confused than when I started.


It's a humorous exaggeration. Find authors you like / understand and seek their example first for new topics. Having to stop / rewind / pause a video is pretty regular, but also one of the benefits of video training, playing in one window as you try in another, just swapping back n forth.

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Dec 26, 2020 22:48:46   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
A reaction I had to a post to an earlier thread over my 'ideal' camera.
And now you will realize why I do not appreciate newer cameras full of 'options'.


I have no issue with having a meter in camera as long as it is simple and allow spot metering and averaging. Spot to measure for the subject and average for the scene. Both are needed. What is not is going through menus or dial combination.

I have a 'classic' Gossen meter gathering dust on a shelf. I use the camera spot exposure most of the time and rarely move from that to average as I use a milky diffuser (as not to mess with the menus). The exposure difference due to the diffuser I use is -0.5 so I compensate +0.5 to the metered light.

The rant]
You need to learn light, especially if you shoot outdoor.
- The same amount of light hits everything regardless of its shade or color.
- Using a camera average reflective light gives you a generic control, not always accurate.
- Measuring incident average light will give you a variant depending if you measure it from a shady or a fully lit area. (You need to be in the scene and use a domed light meter for that or a neutral milky filter on a camera)
- Measuring the reflective light on a subject gives you the correct exposure for the subject and likely will under/over expose the rest.

Normal use of a camera always give you a reflective light measure which is not really accurate as averaging. Spot metering allows you to pin point the reflective light where you point the measuring point. From there you can decide what is more important, light or dark and select the best exposure reflecting your intent. If you do not know what you are doing, there is always the bracketing sledge hammer plus dependance on a camera DR if you dare using raw.

Indoor lighting is a whole different mess that depends in many factors like:
- Source of light (single or multiple source/flash*)
- Strength and temperature of light (per source/flash)
- Orientation and distance of individual source/light
- Use of reflectors or on light adapters
- Subject reflective quality

You basically paint with light that you fully control, a luxury you do not have outdoor, even if you use reflectors and fill flashes even if they do add some control (open shadow/ modify color shade)

Studio lighting is complex and one needs experience and expertise to really achieve something outstanding.

Many studios use a proved set formula to produce consistant result for mass producing portrait like school books, individual or family shoot at fund raising...
- Set the subject/group location
- Set lights according to diagram Height, distance, power, attachement if any.
- Set the tripod and camera according to the diagram
- Preset focusing, tape the focusing ring even.
- Select this lens, this aperture, this sync speed and oh, yeah, WB as well as JPG output.

Then you just push the camera button and then 'Next!, Next! ...'
No experience necessary.
If the guy is great he may even get a few natural smiles (good luck with teens).

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* Source = Continuous light. This does refer to modeling light often found is studio flashes. Modeling lights are great to preview where the light will fall, nothing else. They should be turned turned off when shooting.
A reaction I had to a post to an earlier thread ov... (show quote)


I find I am agreeing with all of this. It might not be what those who like complicating their photography want to hear.

I usually leave my DSLR on spot metering. For really critical metering I use a Handheld Spotmeter, a Minolta Spotmeter F. For either the in-camera spotmeter or handheld one needs to know how to use it. I learned with film zone system metering so I apply that almost automatically in my head to scenes I am photographing. When need be I will switch to averaging metering. I am always happiest to find a middle tone to meter. The more controls on a camera the more confusing it is and the more to go wrong. Most of the time all I need is Shutter Speed, Aperture, ISO, EC, and I am happy.

May be my sore point is modern "digital" lenses not having click stops or the red IR mark on the distance scale.

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Dec 26, 2020 22:57:56   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
lamiaceae wrote:
I find I am agreeing with all of this. It might not be what those who like complicating their photography want to hear.

I usually leave my DSLR on spot metering. For really critical metering I use a Handheld Spotmeter, A Minolta Spotmeter F.


I have a Minolta Spotmeter as well which I use with my RB67. It agrees within 1/4 stop with the spot metering setting of my DSLR

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Dec 26, 2020 23:07:11   #
User ID
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Truer words were never spoken, to bad you misspelled the first word. ..............

ROTFLMFAO cuz irony is great humor.

“To bad” you never proof read your post.

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Dec 26, 2020 23:14:44   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
TriX wrote:
I have a Minolta Spotmeter as well which I use with my RB67. It agrees within 1/4 stop with the spot metering setting of my DSLR


Yes, I have a Gossen Luna-Six meter too. The handhelds also get used with My Pentax Spotmatic and my two 4x5" cameras. My work horse film camera my K2 DMD needs batteries to function but my K1000 and Spotmatic do not so I part with the batteries.

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Dec 26, 2020 23:21:03   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Yes, I have a Gossen Luna-Six meter too. The handhelds also get used with My Pentax Spotmatic and my two 4x5" cameras. My work horse film camera my K2 DMD needs batteries to function but my K1000 and Spotmatic do not so I part with the batteries.


I’m almost embarrassed to admit that after >60 years of photography, I have never owned or used a 4X5 (or larger) view camera, but since I have a 4X5 enlarger, I’ve been considering it. Off topic, but do you have a large format recommendation if I decide to try that experience before I die?

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Dec 27, 2020 11:36:21   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
TriX wrote:
I’m almost embarrassed to admit that after >60 years of photography, I have never owned or used a 4X5 (or larger) view camera, but since I have a 4X5 enlarger, I’ve been considering it. Off topic, but do you have a large format recommendation if I decide to try that experience before I die?


I had two 4x5" enlargers but gave both away when we moved. I have two 4x5" cameras still. A studio rail type Omega View, very similar to a Toyo. My other is an old Gunlach wooden field camera. The "leica" of view cameras are the Sinar and Linhof. With view cameras the brand mean little as the camera is just a means of holding the lens and shutter, and to hold the film in place. The main issue is the view camera needs to be steady yet have smooth and precise movements. Not all that hard to achieve. Other used view cameras like Calumet, Burke & James, B&J, and Kodak are fine to use. Wista, other kits can be good but not all models and new wooden cameras are expensive. Look for used in general. What is most important is good glass, same as always. For large format lenses like Schneider and Nikon. There are also Rodenstock, Calumet, and Kodak (old). I prefer Copal shutters, but I also have Compur. These days when I shoot 4x5 I scan the film and then work digitally.

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Dec 27, 2020 11:38:39   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
lamiaceae wrote:
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Excellent information - thank you! Any suggestions for a studio portrait lens?

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Dec 27, 2020 21:25:51   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
TriX wrote:
Excellent information - thank you! Any suggestions for a studio portrait lens?


210mm, 240mm, 300mm, in that range as portrait lenses. Or in inches 8.25 to 12. Say for a 4x5" camera. A 12" or 300mm would be a "normal" lens for a 8x10" camera. Same theory as other formats, the hypotenuse of the format size with a bit extra for good coverage of the image circle. A 90mm, 65mm are wide angle for 4x5. Note, large format lenses come usually in three width styles, regular or narrow for copy or macro lenses (not usually for general use), Wide, and Super Wide. Also you have to consider your minimum and maximum bellows extension for your camera. With a recessed lens board my Omega can use the 90mm lens I have, but my wooden folding field camera will not focus to infinity with a 90mm, so I bought the next shortest common lens that is a Schneider Super-Angulon 120mm lens. Not really very wide. For 65 or 47mm one would likely need a Sinar or other top end camera. The cameras rise, fall, swing, tilts, such front and back movements dictate the width or image circle needed. That could be considerably more than the format diagonal. I own large format lenses of 90mm, 120mm, 150mm, 210mm, and really vintage ones of 127mm and 163mm. All but the 150mm Nikon-W purchased used.

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