Quite honestly I regret fully manual cameras...
Dec 25, 2020 10:32:15 #
BurghByrd wrote:
And we haven't even begun on all the variations of auto focusing, AF-C, AF-S, area mode, spot, pin point etc. It can be a useful feature but it can be confusing enough to toss in the towl and revert back to manual.
300 AF points, 150 metering points, do they compensate for windage now also?
Dec 25, 2020 10:36:13 #
Pumble wrote:
The camera of today has all that you already want. You might consider that "M" position on the dial and then (if you can afford to do so and really only want that mode), super glue it into that position. Then you'll have exactly what you desire, a manual camera with all the bells and whistles without other shooting modes... :)
You can do that to many cameras but not all. Some has a mode button which you press and turn the command dial to change mode. With those you can't do the super glue trick. However, I don't have one of the new cameras that has such a control arrangement but I guess there is some custom setting to lock it in M mode.
Dec 25, 2020 10:37:02 #
cactuspic wrote:
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You are so off the mark it is...
Have you ever learned what it is to control everything in a camera w/o the existence all the gizmos?
If not, do. At least every capture you take will be yours, good or bad. Not some engineer somewhere deciding what is good for you.
Photography is about control, not relinquishing it.
Even in full manual today some ***** decides what is good. There is no camera that produces a real raw file by example. All raw files are processed according to the manufacturer interpretation of the Bayer process.
Dec 25, 2020 10:41:23 #
Rongnongno wrote:
YES, I am in one of 'those moods'. br br img sr... (show quote)
, no I am not 
sharing.Moods come, and moods go. Just wait a few minutes. There never was and never will be a perfect anything.
Dec 25, 2020 10:42:00 #
Just get your SMART phone out and snap away the blues. Merry Christmas earthlings. Just got a R6 for Christmas and Wowser what a camera.
Dec 25, 2020 10:43:49 #
POVDOV wrote:
Just get your SMART phone out and snap away the blues. Merry Christmas earthlings. Just got a R6 for Christmas and Wowser what a camera.
What blues?
Dec 25, 2020 10:47:30 #
The blues associated with technology advancement. I can't wait for the quantum camera. "a discrete quantity of energy proportional in magnitude to the frequency of the radiation it represents"
Dec 25, 2020 10:51:27 #
Dec 25, 2020 10:53:09 #
I equate the original post to that of painting for photography is truly painting with light. There are those that prefer to start with a blank canvas and there are those who paint-by-numbers. Each of them enjoys painting as their pursuit of happiness.
Dec 25, 2020 11:16:45 #
Get a nikon Df. Set it on manual. Chose your own ISO. shutter speed and aperture.
You're welcome!
happy holidays.
You're welcome!
happy holidays.
Dec 25, 2020 11:44:40 #
LOL... I come from the days of spotmatics. my first job after graduating with a 2-year tech degree was as a strobe technician for Honeywell (mid-70s). just across the hall was the camera repair dept. Over the two years working there, I developed a friendship with their head tech and he taught me all about how cameras work.
I have become what friends call a "talented amateur." I agree with your musings. there is something extremely gratifying about being a good manual photographer
Nearly all of my manual work was done with three settings: shutter, speed, aperture, and ISO. over the years I learned to play with additional features such as filter, ISO settings, flash positions as well. of the 10s of 1000's of shots, it took, until I got my first digital (`2000). maybe six were pro-quality... :-)
Today, I am sold on automatics with manual options, however, ego-deflating, as it turns out my auto setting shots (99%) are as good as if I had framed them manually... ;-)
One of my favorite old shot is attached... happy holidays, all...
I have become what friends call a "talented amateur." I agree with your musings. there is something extremely gratifying about being a good manual photographer
Nearly all of my manual work was done with three settings: shutter, speed, aperture, and ISO. over the years I learned to play with additional features such as filter, ISO settings, flash positions as well. of the 10s of 1000's of shots, it took, until I got my first digital (`2000). maybe six were pro-quality... :-)
Today, I am sold on automatics with manual options, however, ego-deflating, as it turns out my auto setting shots (99%) are as good as if I had framed them manually... ;-)
One of my favorite old shot is attached... happy holidays, all...
Dec 25, 2020 11:56:09 #
Bbarn
Loc: Ohio
The simple camera I envision is an auto-focus FF that is essentially manual, and takes full advantage of the benefits of mirrorless. It would have the following:
1) A top notch EFV that provides a precise and accurate view of focus, exposure, and depth of field.
2) Three dedicated rotary dials right within reach of thumb or finger while viewing: Shutter speed, Aperture, and ISO.
3) Two or three dedicated buttons within easy reach of thumb or finger: Release, Depth of Field, and possibly a Focus lock.
4) If necessary, a button that enhances (magnifies?) the viewfinder image for focusing.
The only automatic exposure feature I might include would be Auto ISO, probably engaged/disengaged by another button or via a position on the dedicated ISO dial. The drawback to adding such an auto mode is that a method for exposure compensation is now needed. I think I'd rather keep it simple and avoid auto exposure modes.
The EFV would naturally indicate shutter speed, aperture, and ISO, and have an exposure meter. A battery indicator and memory card indicator of some type would also be needed.
Skip the video, and ditch the LCD on the back.
Such a camera wouldn't be much good for fast action, but that's OK.
1) A top notch EFV that provides a precise and accurate view of focus, exposure, and depth of field.
2) Three dedicated rotary dials right within reach of thumb or finger while viewing: Shutter speed, Aperture, and ISO.
3) Two or three dedicated buttons within easy reach of thumb or finger: Release, Depth of Field, and possibly a Focus lock.
4) If necessary, a button that enhances (magnifies?) the viewfinder image for focusing.
The only automatic exposure feature I might include would be Auto ISO, probably engaged/disengaged by another button or via a position on the dedicated ISO dial. The drawback to adding such an auto mode is that a method for exposure compensation is now needed. I think I'd rather keep it simple and avoid auto exposure modes.
The EFV would naturally indicate shutter speed, aperture, and ISO, and have an exposure meter. A battery indicator and memory card indicator of some type would also be needed.
Skip the video, and ditch the LCD on the back.
Such a camera wouldn't be much good for fast action, but that's OK.
Dec 25, 2020 12:14:54 #
Tomcat5133
Loc: Gladwyne PA
Merry Xmas all and a great New Year.
My little genius grandaughter was in my office space in the basement.
I consider a creative personality and she at the time was about 6 or 7.
When picked up my Sony mirrorless and just started shooting. She shot
our colorful carpets books and othe decor stuff than me and everything
that came up that she found interesting. As an Art Director I judged her
photos very interesting. I was taking a shot for my daughter's book
and she grabbed the camera and started shooting. The camera rig
was about 5k in equipment. She picked upt the rig just let her shoot.
I suggest set your camera basics up. And select auto whatever it's
called and just shoot shots. I approach learning by indentifying what
I need to do and look that up with everything. Of course knowledge is golden.
But the knowledge required as some say takes a long time.
A famous photographer admitted he likes the Sony Auto settings
and had used them often when not in manual.
PS-It is a shame I had to darken the shot so you could see the
interest in shooting shots. Safety of pirated shots with kids is an issue.
My little genius grandaughter was in my office space in the basement.
I consider a creative personality and she at the time was about 6 or 7.
When picked up my Sony mirrorless and just started shooting. She shot
our colorful carpets books and othe decor stuff than me and everything
that came up that she found interesting. As an Art Director I judged her
photos very interesting. I was taking a shot for my daughter's book
and she grabbed the camera and started shooting. The camera rig
was about 5k in equipment. She picked upt the rig just let her shoot.
I suggest set your camera basics up. And select auto whatever it's
called and just shoot shots. I approach learning by indentifying what
I need to do and look that up with everything. Of course knowledge is golden.
But the knowledge required as some say takes a long time.
A famous photographer admitted he likes the Sony Auto settings
and had used them often when not in manual.
PS-It is a shame I had to darken the shot so you could see the
interest in shooting shots. Safety of pirated shots with kids is an issue.
Dec 25, 2020 12:19:40 #
BBurns wrote:
Agreed. br There is a great need for beginners to... (show quote)
Agreeing that long experience pays off, but I cannot agree that the craft itself was complex.
Craft was dirts simple:
Choose DoF or Action, let the other control fall where it may in support of your DoF/Action priority choice.
Focus was no mystery, cuz unlike the exposure of the latent image you could see focus in the immediate moment.
Thaz the whole ball of wax, nothing complex. Hit the ball with the bat. Very simple, but long dedicated practice is nevertheless worthwhile to improve results even for an uncomplicated task.
Dec 25, 2020 12:21:39 #
Bbarn wrote:
The simple camera I envision is an auto-focus FF t... (show quote)
If you can ignore the LCD (turn it off) and extra capabilities (don’t bother with the menus), that camera already exists - Fuji XT-1,2,3 or 4. Shutter speed, ISO, EC and aperture - all separate controls, right on the top and existing or user definable buttons for the other functions you requested.
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