Quite honestly I regret fully manual cameras...
They were simpler to use, were unforgiving most of the time, but when you learned it was they were the best teachers of what to do or not to do to get the proper exposure.
Now we have so many modes to do whatever the need for know how is limited to selecting the 'proper mode'. Learning? Zero. (Don't get me started on post processing learning)
What I would retain on a manual digital camera:
In (my) order of importance)
- Aperture control
- ISO control
- Speed control
Set output:
- raw output
- GPS information (I have issues recalling where THAT was...
)
Options:
- Spot Auto-focus
- Spot or generic average exposure
Camera feature:
- Body:
- - Flash wired connection (no on camera flash)
- - Focusing mode BF or tracking when kept pushed down. Release and the camera returns to manual focusing.
- - Timer delay
- - Burst shooting
- Menus
- - Flash options (sync speed, front/rear selection)
- - Grid on/off
- - Time lapse option
- - Lends calibration
Omitted:
- Bells and whistles for whatever...
- Video and all that crap
- Live view
- Image display (that will teach you to pay attention!!!!)
YES, I am in one of 'those moods'.
, no I am not
sharing.
How do you really feel? Pour yourself a drink to celebrate the season. Merry Christmas
WJH
DeanS
Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
williejoha wrote:
How do you really feel? Pour yourself a drink to celebrate the season. Merry Christmas
WJH
I wonder what question he was responding to.
williejoha wrote:
How do you really feel? Pour yourself a drink to celebrate the season. Merry Christmas
WJH
And YES! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
BBurns
Loc: South Bay, California
Agreed.
There is a great need for beginners to learn and have a solid grasp on the basics.
Once that point is reached you will begin to realize that all of those other 'Bells & Whistles' are just on board tools to enhance your creativity.
I saw this many times in a photo class I assisted in.
Many beginners are so intimidated with all of it that they just give up and just stay in 'Auto' mode.
In the film days, the craft was complex and required many years of experience before one recognized and had a handle on all of the subtle nuances of the gear and the film.
There is so much power and capability in today's cameras.
We never could have dreamed of all of these features 25 years ago.
Merry Christmas to all of you hogs. Stay safe and Happy New Year!!!
Your first 10,000 images are your worst. Thank goodness they're now all digital.
Merry Christmas!
CHG_CANON wrote:
Your first 10,000 images are your worst. Thank goodness they're now all digital.
Merry Christmas!
10,000? Wow by that time one had to mortgage the house!
Today? 10k is in the low range.
BBurns
Loc: South Bay, California
CHG_CANON wrote:
Your first 10,000 images are your worst. Thank goodness they're now all digital.
Merry Christmas!
Agreed. I think we tried to learn faster back then. The incentive was having to pay to see our mistakes.
If you can get the pictures off the camera card, you're more than halfway to being a photographer.
Op, you might want to consider a point and shoot camera. There is very little in the way of a learning curve and if your pictures don't come out the way you want, you can blame the camera. Yes, I'm in one of those moods to.
Merry Christmas.
Rongnongno wrote:
....Options:
- Spot Auto-focus
- Spot or generic average exposure.......
I envisage three quick access options for making selections "on the hoof" - autofocus mode, metering mode and shutter release mode. As you suggest, beyond these and the exposure settings, very little else is needed. Auto bracketing is useful and would be missed if it was taken away. I agree that with cameras (as with post processing) the let-the-camera-choose options undermine the learning process (dare I mention AI?
).
davidrb
Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
Rongnongno wrote:
They were simpler to use, were unforgiving most of the time, but when you learned it was they were the best teachers of what to do or not to do to get the proper exposure.
Now we have so many modes to do whatever the need for know how is limited to selecting the 'proper mode'. Learning? Zero. (Don't get me started on post processing learning)
What I would retain on a manual digital camera:
In (my) order of importance)
- Aperture control
- ISO control
- Speed control
Set output:
- raw output
- GPS information
Options:
- Spot Auto-focus
- Spot or generic average exposure
Camera feature:
- Body:
- - Flash wired connection (no on camera flash)
- - Focusing mode BF or tracking when kept pushed down. Release and the camera returns to manual focusing.
- - Timer delay
- - Burst shooting
- Menus
- - Flash options (sync speed, front/rear selection)
- - Grid on/off
- - Time lapse option
- - Lends calibration
Omitted:
- Bells and whistles for whatever...
- Video and all that crap
- Live view
- Image display (that will teach you to pay attention!!!!)
YES, I am in one of 'those moods'.
, I am not
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Interesting read. Aroused my interest in older cameras and the features they offered. Got my Minolta SRT 102 out to see how it fit your list. I set the aperture and the film speed. Still interested, I dug out my father's Leica pre-war. I think the serial number shows 1936. It has been on for 84 years. It was on when it was made. It is German, and I speak no German. I need a much higher level of photography knowledge to operate this manual camera. 1-DX goes to the shoot tonight. It's battery is 1/2 the size of the Leica.
With a shrinking market, the trend will likely be toward fewer cameras with more features to increase sales of a given model.
Video functionality isn't "crap". If you run into a situation where you need to shoot a video clip, it's good to be able to do it with your camera. Of course any modern smartphone can shoot video, but a decent camera can do it so much better.
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