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Dec 23, 2020 15:27:14   #
baron_silverton Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
Are you: dpsager?

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Dec 23, 2020 15:36:54   #
baron_silverton Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Easy, just like for all UHH member names, simply click their URL name, then view their topics created, then open any / all Photo Gallery contributions or similar image (rather than opinion) sections within the community.

You'd probably know that already if you'd contributed anything yourself.


I don't spend my time on UHH - this is just a resource - sort of. I notice that you resort to mud slinging and have not refuted one point that I made - all of which were objectively true.

In looking at your photos, some are quire nice - you and I have completely different interests in photography and genre and I am not just a hobbyist.

I am definitely not here to argue with you - if you like Canon thats great - so do I. Without all the major brands we all lose - hopefully you can see that as well. Your post about Nikon's doom seemed somewhat brand biased and also was not needed - how does this help anyone - especially when Nikon is not closing any time soon - their sales numbers are still second in the business as of 2019 (mostly DSLR's) but when all those convert to mirrorless they should be fine. It is sensible to cut costs right now - all smart businesses are.

Nikon won't catch Canon in total sales but they don't need to.

Personally, I have used both Canon and Nikon and I prefer Nikon for all the reasons I gave and so many more, but many (including you) prefer Canon and thats great - keeps the world turning that there is choice.

Have a great day!

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Dec 23, 2020 15:37:39   #
BebuLamar
 
User ID wrote:
That comment is parroted so often that by now you should be realizing that it can’t be true.


Yup! But the photographer is human and like to claim credit from a machine that can't protest.

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Dec 23, 2020 16:03:55   #
User ID
 
HRBIEL wrote:
HEY, ARE WE DONE YET?


If you need a restroom break, just ask. We’ll wait up for you.

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Dec 23, 2020 16:08:52   #
User ID
 
Gasman57 wrote:
But speculating their future strategy as if your in the know is BS.

You don’t seem too appreciative of the entertainment value of this venue. It’s pretty good if you let yourself enjoy it.

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Dec 23, 2020 16:13:02   #
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BARRY COWAN wrote:
On the contrary, the camera does not make the photographer. Some of the greatest photographs ever taken were shot with equipment far inferior to what is available today. It is the skill and technique of the photographer that makes the photograph. A skilled photographer can even get a good photograph using a Canon.

When you’re “on the contrary” acoarst everything is true by definition. It’s a magic mirror ride.

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Dec 23, 2020 16:36:35   #
User ID
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Yup! But the photographer is human and like to claim credit from a machine that can't protest.


Thaz why I quit reading any post at the very mention of Ansel Adams. If you actually learn by doing, pretty soon you discover that hey, you take a good piece of film and aim it a good scene and damned if you don’t get a good picture.

No rocket science, no mumbojumbo.

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Dec 23, 2020 16:39:53   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.

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Dec 23, 2020 16:58:45   #
CO
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
LOL CO!!!

You don't seem to be keeping up with Rockwell. From his website news dated Dec 23, 2020:

Sayonara, Nikon

If you believe what you read from random sources on the Internet, Nikon has fallen on such hard times that it can't afford skilled labor in Japan, and instead is going to offshore everything it does to places where less-skilled people will work cheaper.

I upgraded to Canon in 2013. I've only shot Nikon for nostalgia with my manual-focus lenses ever since, for the most part.

If you don't like this news, vote with your feet and upgrade to Canon as I did. Especially in full-frame mirrorless, Canon is a better company with better products, better support and better domestic Japanese manufacturing.

Supposedly Nikon's not going to make anything domestically in Japan anymore, and will be offshoring everything elsewhere, like Thailand or China, by the end of next year. Nikon's been offshoring more and more over the years, which is among the many reasons I upgraded to Canon.

I'm not the only one who feels this way; this is part of the reason the EOS R5 is still sold out and to get one you have to place your order and be patient.

Like many of you I've owned and shot Nikon every day since 1983. I own or have owned and often reviewed everything they've ever made from 1946 through today. I upgraded to pro Nikon in 1983 from Minolta because all of Nikon's AI and AI-s lenses were all made to pro standards, while Canon's FD lenses varied in mechanical quality depending on how expensive they were.

Well, it hasn't been 1983 for a very long time. Nikon fell to second place behind Canon in the 1990s, and to third behind Sony in the 2010s.

Of course I'm still going to review everything they introduce because you people keep asking. Let's face it; digital cameras are disposable so it doesn't really matter how well they're made. Lenses, however, should last a lifetime, which I doubt from the plastic offshores Nikon sells today. Plastic lenses take great pictures, but I have a problem with new-age thinking that accepts that after ten years you throw a lens away.

Here's the thing about making things in China: they should be close to free. If Nikon wants to offshore and pass the savings on to me, that's one thing, but if they prefer to pocket the profit for themselves and try to gyp me with a made-in-Japan price, fugettaboutit. When a Chinese company makes something domestically in China, like the TTArtisan 50mm f/1.4 ASPH I'm reviewing, it sells for less than 10% of the same product made in the first world does, and performs about the same. As at least third generation native New Yorker, I don't like being taken for a ride, being sold offshores for the same price as the real thing. You may not care, but I care where my goodies are made. I wear American-made sneakers and even my Bluetooth headphones are Made in GERMANY.
color=red LOL CO!!! /color br br You don't seem... (show quote)


Nikon manufacturing in Thailand is nothing new. They've had a plant there since 1991. Even digital cameras as far back as the D50 (released in 2005) have been manufactured in Thailand.

Why do I want Canon? The ergonomics are terrible. There are buttons of all different shapes plastered helter- skelter all over. It's no better than some industrial tool. Nikon ergonomics are much superior.

Canon sensors have always been about one generation behind other manufacturers. They simply cannot manufacture sensors as well as Sony. Canon should give up and start purchasing sensors from Sony for the best performance.

My second choice behind Nikon is Sony.

I don't want Canon garbage. If you want it, buy as many as you want.

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Dec 23, 2020 17:05:31   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
baron_silverton wrote:
...Nikon won't catch Canon in total sales but they don't need to...


Yes they do, but what they really need is to first, stop the hemorrhaging in market share (they are number 3 behind Sony and losing share, not number 2 as you state) and profitably if they want to survive, and they’re not going to do that in the professional market with the (single card slot) Z7 competing against the R5 or Sony. Here’s hoping that their next generation MILC body addresses these shortcomings, because I for one, hope this storied brand not only survives, but succeeds, because they’ve made fine products, have a a solid history among millions of users, and competition is good for the consumer.

It’s certainly generous of you to describe Paul’s posted images as “quite nice”. Now let’s see some of yours - I’m expecting outstanding work since you’re not “just a hobbyist”, like the rest of us.

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Dec 23, 2020 17:05:51   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
CO wrote:
Many people prefer Nikon. That's the way to go.


The market is saying otherwise to #3 Nikon, but no reason to get facts involved, when opinion is so powerful ...

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Dec 23, 2020 17:07:34   #
CO
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The market is saying otherwise, but no reason to get facts involved, when opinion is so powerful ...


Stop the B.S. If you want it, buy it. Sony is my second choice after Nikon. I don't want Canon's terrible ergonomics and inferior sensors.

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Dec 23, 2020 17:09:37   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
What did Ricky Bobby say, If you ain't first ...

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Dec 23, 2020 18:16:17   #
BARRY COWAN
 
Funny, most of what you say is opinion.

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Dec 23, 2020 18:29:56   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
BARRY COWAN wrote:
Funny, most of what you say is opinion.


If you are replying to me, then I will say: funny, all of what you say is nonsense---and I base that on quite successful years of experience working in, observing and learning about the topics I referred to.

In the future, if you want to respond to a certain individual post you should click on "Quote Reply" so that people will know who you are talking to.

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