Nikon to end camera production in Japan
Dec 23, 2020 18:34:29 #
baron_silverton
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
TriX wrote:
Yes they do, but what they really need is to first... (show quote)
Okay, so we seem to agree on what is good for the industry.
I don't know who you are, but you seem to be pals with 'Paul' - who I don't know either and didn't know that was his name until you said so.
Many of your facts are incorrect and/or outdated - Nikon has mirrorless cameras with 2 card slots now (Z5, Z6 II and Z7 II) and yes they were number 2 in sales in 2019 when you count DSLR's and mirrorless together - above Sony - but to be fair, only by a little bit.
Honestly, I don't intend to go into this any further at this point - its getting stupid.
As far as me saying that your friend's shots were quite nice - that was not meant disparagingly as you seem to want to make it. Not sure why you are taking it that way, but the tone here seems to be argumentative and confrontational instead of educational.
If you are a hobbyist, as you seem to indicate you are, then this should be for fun and for learning, not for arguing about gear, or whether Nikon is going out of business.
My objection to 'Paul's' post was that it paints a picture of Nikon as a failing company - which whether true or not is bad for the industry and for consumers - as you evidently agree.
All the talk about Nikon's alleged failure and foreshadowing them closing can help to become a self-fulfilling prophecy as those that do not really know listen to such talk and avoid getting Nikon products for fear of them going out of business. This leads to lower sales and eventually them possibly going out of business.
From what I have researched they are not going out of business as they have deep pockets behind them as a company, they have other businesses that are still doing well, and their camera sales are starting to pick up. This coupled with cutting costs in a smart way (not paying exorbitant prices in Japan) will lead to a profitable business - certainly not one that needs to close its doors.
I don't post my photos on UHH - why would I? I am not here to display my work - I have other venues for that, and there are no clients here. If you want to see my work you can look it up - not hard to find.
Again, I was not disparaging Paul's work when I said it was quite nice - to the contrary that was meant as a compliment.
As we agree on what is good for the industry, lets just leave things at that and part friends.
Hope you have a great day!
Dec 23, 2020 18:39:43 #
Dec 23, 2020 18:44:53 #
John Hicks
Loc: Sible Hedinham North Essex England
One thing you miss out on saying is that Nikon rely on camera sales as a percentage far higher than say Canon or Sony as they have a lot more irons in their industrial make up.
One other this is that I use Canon cameras the reason being my third sir brand I bought was the Canon A1 I bought this when they first came out and the reason was that no other manufacturer at the time had a multimode camera and the lens mount was in the centre of the body where as Nikon was slightly over to one side which I did not like.
One other this is that I use Canon cameras the reason being my third sir brand I bought was the Canon A1 I bought this when they first came out and the reason was that no other manufacturer at the time had a multimode camera and the lens mount was in the centre of the body where as Nikon was slightly over to one side which I did not like.
Dec 23, 2020 18:45:50 #
Remember too, backwards compatibility used to be Nikon's strength, but now it's Canon's.
Dec 23, 2020 18:52:40 #
User ID wrote:
If you need a restroom break, just ask. We’ll wait up for you.
No, I'm fine. I just think this has gone on too long. Its been at least 3 days and 15 pages of everyone's fanboy opinions with no end in site. It time to go out and shoot and shut up. And CHG_Canon needs to stop poking the bear with his one-liners.
Dec 23, 2020 18:52:57 #
fantom wrote:
Having traveled the world for many years visiting ... (show quote)
Sony is making most of its cameras in Indonesia and I don't think it's failing.
Dec 23, 2020 18:54:09 #
baron_silverton
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
CHG_CANON wrote:
Remember too, backwards compatibility used to be Nikon's strength, but now it's Canon's.
Hey Paul,
I just go through looking at many of your shots on Flickr, and although I meant what I said in a complimentary fashion (i.e. quite nice was not said in a sarcastic manner but sincerely).
However, upon further examination, I would go farther and say many of your shots are down right excellent.
Great work!
Dec 23, 2020 18:54:14 #
Followers think and talk about problems. Leaders think and talk about camera brands.
Dec 23, 2020 19:15:59 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Kodak is still around. Are they now considered a success or failure?
I would say they are a failure.
Dec 23, 2020 21:24:44 #
kb6kgx
Loc: Simi Valley, CA
pego101 wrote:
I have had both Canon and nikon and nikon is superior
Tell that to my die-hard Canon friends. They firmly believe the opposite.
Dec 23, 2020 21:50:31 #
baron_silverton wrote:
Okay, so we seem to agree on what is good for the ... (show quote)
Well, we’ll see how they stack up when the Z7II, etc. is actually deliverable - apparently Nikon got IT, and I am glad.
For the record, I think Nikon makes world class cameras such as the D4/5/6, the D500, and the D750, 810 and 850.
Personally, I shoot Canon and have since the FT QL in the late 60s, but I am by no means a “fan boy” since I own and shoot Fuji, Mamiya and yes, even have an F3 and an original Photomic F plus a stack of AI lenses that sit on my shelf with other bodies which I no longer use (and should sell to a collector). And having just sold a Canon 5D3 with 258,00 actuations that looked and performed exactly as new, I’m going to have to take exception that in general, Nikon’s are more robust.
Regarding the Z vs RF mount, I doubt the small difference in flange distance or throat diameter has more than a theoretical effect on lens design/performance once you get to the dimensions we are currently at with this crop of mirrorless cameras even at short FLs. And regarding the relative performance of equivalent speed/FL lenses between the two, i’ll reserve judgement until I see actual published optical bench comparisons since comparisons when mounted to their native bodies introduces another variable.
Having said all that, we can certainly agree to disagree in a civil discourse, and I wish you the best as well.
Cheers
Dec 24, 2020 00:37:53 #
Buying a Nikon doesn't make you a better photographer. It makes you a future former Nikon owner.
Dec 24, 2020 03:03:10 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.
Juicy .... waaaaaaaaay juicy.
Dec 24, 2020 03:47:39 #
baron_silverton
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
TriX wrote:
Well, we’ll see how they stack up when the Z7II, e... (show quote)
Thank you for your sensible and logical response.
We agree on most everything and where we don't the issues are just subtle nuances that probably don't matter in actuality.
See you around :)
Dec 24, 2020 07:50:54 #
baron_silverton wrote:
Hey Paul,
I just go through looking at many of your shots on Flickr, and although I meant what I said in a complimentary fashion (i.e. quite nice was not said in a sarcastic manner but sincerely).
However, upon further examination, I would go farther and say many of your shots are down right excellent.
Great work!
I just go through looking at many of your shots on Flickr, and although I meant what I said in a complimentary fashion (i.e. quite nice was not said in a sarcastic manner but sincerely).
However, upon further examination, I would go farther and say many of your shots are down right excellent.
Great work!
I have always thought Paul takes great pictures too!!
I searched and found your website and looked at your work, it is excellent as well. I particularly like how you have managed to accentuate the eyes in your portraiture. Even though your subjects are quite stunning, as a viewer I was drawn to their eyes in your work. Very nice!
Have a Merry Christmas
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