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Dec 19, 2020 09:09:52   #
JOHNERIKSSON Loc: CENTRAL WISCONSIN
 
depends so much what the subject is. a distant landscape is a lot different than say a deer or a warbler. Im my photography if it's not sharp at 200% it's not sharp. in my business if the eye is sharp the photo is sharp. I shoot only the best equipment Canon 1DX mark 3 and only L lens and I shoot lots of images. I average about 1000 images per day I can sort and look and almost always find images that are sharper than others.

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Dec 19, 2020 09:17:12   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
lbjed wrote:
How does one determine if a photo is sharp enough?

I generally view them at 100% and again at 300%. If a photo looks sharp at 100% is that a sharp photo?


Sharpness and Resolution are not the same thing.

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Dec 19, 2020 09:38:18   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
As Henri Cartier-Bresson said, “ sharpness is a bourgeois concept.” And much of his work is the proof of it.

Stan

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Dec 19, 2020 09:44:34   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
How sharp is your vision? At 69, I often have to adjust my glasses slightly to make sure which one it is.

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Dec 19, 2020 10:33:48   #
lbjed Loc: New York
 
NCMtnMan wrote:
How sharp is your vision? At 69, I often have to adjust my glasses slightly to make sure which one it is.


At 67 not to good. Progressive lenses. A pain when i'm out shooting.

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Dec 19, 2020 10:34:52   #
lbjed Loc: New York
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Review all your images at the 1:1 pixel level to determine the image sharpness, before any processing. Cull any image image that isn't sharp before processing, they won't get better later. Only use your valuable and limited time to process the keepers.

Consider these ideas too, including examples of reviewing the 1:1 details (aka 100% zoom):

How to obtain sharp images in digital photography


Thanks for the great advice.

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Dec 19, 2020 10:35:21   #
lbjed Loc: New York
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
It's good to check your equipment- cameras and lenses to make certain they are performing well and in good repair. If you make lots of large prints or display your images on large screens, this is especially important.

Most modern lenses are sharp, some more than others and of course, camera formats and pixel counts factor in.

When testing or evaluating a camera or lens, you can examine the images at 300% magnification. If the results are disappointing, make sure your equipment is properly aligned and you did not mess up in shooting with inaccurate focusing, camera movement, insufficient shutter speed, etc. Conduct test using a tripod and careful exposure and focus management. if you suspect a problem you either need to send your gear in for repair or if it is irreparable or really inferior equipment, you should consider replacing it.

At the end of the day, consider this. How many large prints or photomurals are you producing? Are you satisfied withte the results you are getting with the prints and display methods you are using? You make a print, it is sharp to your eyes, you mount and frame it and display it proudly- how many folks are gonna view it at 300% magnification?

If you don't frame and compose your images "properly" and you need to radically crop every shot- you are gonna be disappointed regardless of the quality and performance of your gear. If you shoot everything at ISO 6500- again, how is your gear gonna help you?

In my own case, as a commercial shooter, many of my images end up on billboards, transit advertising on the sides of buses and trucks, and dispatched in the Jumbotron at our local NHL venue. Not all of my lenses are camera are the latest and greatest, although I do shoot someof my stuff on medium format digital the results are sharp even from my 8-year old Canon gear.

So, shoot carefully, test precisely and if you are still dissatisfied, it's time for a fix or a replacement.

OCD? I ain't a psychologist and many folks bandy about "diagnoses" of mental and neurological disorders. I prefer to say "fussy, precise, or attentive to detail" rather than OCD. The problem is, however, that so many well-meaning photographers are so busy look for trouble- optical aberrations, difraction, noise, and a log list of malfunction and defects, that they don't have energy, creativity, and artistry left in the approach that the miss out on good images, spontaneity and fun. It's likely that 80% of the defects and glitches they are looking for will not even be detectable in 16x20 prints and the "faults" may even add to the mood!
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Thanks for the great advice.

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Dec 19, 2020 10:38:34   #
lbjed Loc: New York
 
Jimmy T wrote:
For me, 100% is quite enough, and I'm kinda OCD.
But, aren't most photographers?
Costco has printed out my "sharp enough at 100% files" to 20 X 30" and they looked great to me.
Also, folks that received them seemed well pleased.
This is just my opinion, I'm sure that many more will follow.
Enjoy your hobby.
Have a Merry Christmas
And a Safe and Healthy New Year!
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Thank you Jimmy. A very Merry Christmas to you.

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Dec 19, 2020 10:39:24   #
lbjed Loc: New York
 
Longshadow wrote:
No matter what camera you use, it can always be sharper.


That is probably a definite.

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Dec 19, 2020 10:41:44   #
lbjed Loc: New York
 
home brewer wrote:
sharp is when the detail is clear and well defined. I think that this photo of my grandson is sharp. The focus point was his face near his nose; just a little below his eye. At 100% the tiny hairs on his face are sharp. D850 iso 64, f10, 1/180s with flash. The second photo is about 100% showing all the wear on his face from a day of play. I think this would print well at 8x10 which would almost be life size


Thank you for your response. With flash I can almost always count on photos being sharp unless I do something drastically wrong.

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Dec 19, 2020 10:44:41   #
lbjed Loc: New York
 
camerapapi wrote:
I never zoom an image beyond 50% to determine if it is sharp. A 50% crop is the equivalent for a pretty big enlargement.
At 100% crop if they look sharp they are sharp enough.


But the question remains - is sharp enough good enough. I am my own worst critic when it comes to my photos.
Thanks for your response.

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Dec 19, 2020 10:49:44   #
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lamiaceae wrote:
Sharpness and Resolution are not the same thing.

The erroneous conflating of resolution and sharpness is clearly foundational to UHH “junior geek” culture.

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Dec 19, 2020 10:52:02   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
lbjed wrote:
But the question remains - is sharp enough good enough. I am my own worst critic when it comes to my photos.
Thanks for your response.


So, you can see a spectrum of approaches that range from don't look / don't bother thru assess the 1:1 details first and kick any image that fails at that detailed review. Only you can decide what works best for you, although you've also received tips on how others achieve and confirm sharply focused images. Have fun.

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Dec 19, 2020 11:06:55   #
rbhallock Loc: Western Massachusetts
 
How sharp is sharp enough? Consider these two articles:

"How to Optimize the Sharpness of your Photographic Prints: Part I - Your Eye and its Ability to Resolve Fine Detail", View Camera, July/August, 2006, p.50.

"How to Optimize the Sharpness of your Photographic Prints: Part II - Practical Limits to Sharpness in Photography and a Useful chart to Determine the Optimal f-stop", View Camera, September/October, 2006, p. 54.

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Dec 19, 2020 11:08:52   #
User ID
 
lbjed wrote:
But the question remains - is sharp enough good enough. I am my own worst critic when it comes to my photos.
Thanks for your response.

“Sharp enough” is acoarst NOT “good enough” if a picture is visibly flawed in some other aspect. And even a truly flawless picture cannot really be “good enough” if it’s just plain boring (or is uninformative if it’s an info pic)

But limited to sharpness, if there’s no visually disturbing lack of sharpness then it’s sharp enough. If the level of detail is comfortable to the eye then it’s sharp enough. If eye of the viewer finds a place or point on which settle into focus then it’s sharp enough.

Failing to find such a place or point means it’s NOT sharp enough. Thaz why gritty grainy high ISO images are seen as sharper than smooth base ISO images despite the higher detail resolution of the smoother images. The viewer’s eyes can comfortably settle their focus anywhere in the frame.

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