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Dec 19, 2020 11:54:55   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
lbjed wrote:
How does one determine if a photo is sharp enough?

I generally view them at 100% and again at 300%. If a photo looks sharp at 100% is that a sharp photo?


I do the “two finger spread” on my IPad. If it stays sharp, it’s sharp. Look at the eyes. The eyes will tell you right away if the image is sharp. Failing this test will probably end up in my trash can unless it is a unique one of a kind image.

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Dec 19, 2020 11:59:00   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Review all your images at the 1:1 pixel level to determine the image sharpness, before any processing. Cull any image image that isn't sharp before processing, they won't get better later. Only use your valuable and limited time to process the keepers.

Consider these ideas too, including examples of reviewing the 1:1 details (aka 100% zoom):

How to obtain sharp images in digital photography

Thank you, Paul. One of the simplest and clearest definitions of BBF I’ve ever read. I’ll never understand why camera manufacturers don’t include a definition like that in their user manuals.

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Dec 19, 2020 12:08:39   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Fredrick wrote:
Thank you, Paul. One of the simplest and clearest definitions of BBF I’ve ever read. I’ll never understand why camera manufacturers don’t include a definition like that in their user manuals.


Thank you Fredrick! I've found Back Button Focus is pretty much a photography slang term for a usage scenario / specific camera configuration, the type of thing never covered by the manuals. Similar would be ETTR - Exposing To The Right. The manuals might give some examples of Depth of Field of larger vs smaller apertures, but never talk about the impact of metering to the left or right of the 0-mark, nor even what to do get the meter back to the 0-mark.

Manuals are almost exclusively 'what' each control on the camera does, very little 'how', and never 'why'.

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Dec 19, 2020 12:10:45   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
The problem is, however, that so many well-meaning photographers are so busy look for trouble- optical aberrations, diffraction, noise, and a log list of malfunction and defects, that they don't have energy, creativity, and artistry left in the approach that the miss out on good images, spontaneity and fun. It's likely that 80% of the defects and glitches they are looking for will not even be detectable in 16x20 prints and the "faults" may even add to the mood!


This should be REQUIRED reading for any and all photogs !
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Dec 19, 2020 12:12:00   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If you have to lower your expectations to fit your results, so be it.

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Dec 19, 2020 13:01:35   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Do sharpening and denoise together, and find the optimal balance at 100% (1:1). If they're optimised at 100% they'll be optimised at any level of zoom. However, even after that process you may find that at normal viewing distance you can "get away with" some extra sharpening - it's one way to eke out some extra vividness when you think a photo will benefit from it. Anyone who has well rounded PP skills will be familiar with the difference between pushed and overcooked. It's also true that even if a photo has been fully optimised globally, local adjustments can still be used to target specific areas - either problem areas or areas where some extra tweaking is required.

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Dec 19, 2020 13:03:35   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
lbjed wrote:
How does one determine if a photo is sharp enough?

I generally view them at 100% and again at 300%. If a photo looks sharp at 100% is that a sharp photo?


yes

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Dec 19, 2020 22:48:00   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Yes. But some say that a viewer should stand at a short distance to judge a photograph. This stand-back will naturally reduce perception of sharpness in a photograph.

I believe judges in a photography contest view a submission at 100% to determine its degree of sharpness.
lbjed wrote:
How does one determine if a photo is sharp enough?

I generally view them at 100% and again at 300%. If a photo looks sharp at 100% is that a sharp photo?

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Dec 20, 2020 10:33:05   #
Ourspolair
 
I think that 100% does well, but I also go to 3-400% when examining how well I did when using manual focusing. The secret to sharpness is in the initial capture - appropriate shutter speed to lens f/l and taking the time to select the appropriate aperture and focus point to achieve the best DOF for the image. I sometimes fail to use a tripod when I know I should, forcing up the ISO and increasing sensor noise which will have a negative effect on apparent sharpness. Also don't forget that maximum "sharpness" is not appropriate in some shots... A softer look is sometimes more appealing. Please stay safe over the holidays and keep on sharing.

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Dec 20, 2020 11:33:54   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Ourspolair wrote:
I think that 100% does well, but I also go to 3-400% when examining how well I did when using manual focusing. The secret to sharpness is in the initial capture - appropriate shutter speed to lens f/l and taking the time to select the appropriate aperture and focus point to achieve the best DOF for the image. I sometimes fail to use a tripod when I know I should, forcing up the ISO and increasing sensor noise which will have a negative effect on apparent sharpness. Also don't forget that maximum "sharpness" is not appropriate in some shots... A softer look is sometimes more appealing. Please stay safe over the holidays and keep on sharing.
I think that 100% does well, but I also go to 3-40... (show quote)


All very good points. Thank You.

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Dec 20, 2020 13:00:27   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
lbjed wrote:
How does one determine if a photo is sharp enough?

I generally view them at 100% and again at 300%. If a photo looks sharp at 100% is that a sharp photo?



How large you should view an image on your computer screen entirely depends upon:

- The size of the original (in pixels).

- How you'll be using the image.

"100%" is often ridiculously large. 200% would be absurd in most cases.

If you're using a typical computer monitor, it will display approx. 100 pixels per inch. If your camera is 24MP, it makes images that are 4000 x 6000 pixels. "At 100%" means an image will display one pixel on screen for each pixel in the image. So that 24MP image will be sized as if it were 40 x 60". Hello! That's FIVE FEET WIDE! Do you actually plan to print the image that large? Even if you do, you won't be viewing it from 18 or 20" away, the way you are your computer monitor.

If you size the image for printing using 300 pixels per inch, which is very high quality and beyond what's needed for most printing processes, that same 24MP image can be directly printed as large as 13.333 x 20" without any re-interpolation. Viewing the image at around 33% is closer to how that would look. Many printers say 240 pixels per inch is more than enough for high quality prints, in which case you'd be able to make a 16 x 24" print without any need for re-interpolation.

if you size the image for online sharing it will need to be scaled down quite a bit more, typically to around 100 pixels per inch times however large you want it to appear on screen. For example, a 2000 x 3000 pixel image (6MP) will appear quite large when uploaded here on UHH. 25% viewing on screen should be more than sufficient. But in many other online uses even viewing the original image that large would be overkill. Re-interpolating the image smaller will increase it's apparent sharpness.

So "at 100%" on screen you're often looking that the image far larger than anyone else will ever see it and are viewing it far closer than it would be if truly printed large.

If your camera is lower or higher than 24MP, adjust accordingly. Also, all this assumes no cropping of the image, but that's another discussion and for best possible images we should minimize or try to avoid cropping anyway (get closer, use a longer focal length, etc.).

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