Interesting Take on Electric Cars
Dec 4, 2020 16:44:30 #
Meadwilliam wrote:
Nuclear is the answer. Fukushima was a tsunami and wasn’t a nuclear problem. It was the stupidity of building it there. Three mile island killed no one.
Exactly. Although tens of thousands were killed in the Tsunami, there was not a single death due to the reactor meltdowns. The fact is that the reactor manufacturer recommended that the reactors be located ~40’ higher above sea level, but the power company elected to build them closer to save money. The fact is that there has never been a death from a commercial power plant in the US.
The Chernobyl disaster was due to a poor and potentially unstable graphite moderated reactor design that only the Soviets use and some really amazingly stupid decisions leading to the catastrophe and following it.
Dec 4, 2020 16:47:33 #
Abo wrote:
As many others have, it seems your friend misses the point.
All the negatives of electric vehicles are moot, when you
realize that there soon will be no crude oil (with all its negatives) left in/on the planet.
The issue is, "transportation" more than, or at least as much as "environment".
All the negatives of electric vehicles are moot, when you
realize that there soon will be no crude oil (with all its negatives) left in/on the planet.
The issue is, "transportation" more than, or at least as much as "environment".
Exactly. We can supplement with solar, hydro, wave and wind, but in the end, lacking some new yet undiscovered technology, we will deploy more nuclear or freeze in the dark.
Dec 4, 2020 16:58:09 #
Dec 4, 2020 17:11:45 #
Bbarn
Loc: Ohio
In rough numbers, an EV will cost about $500 per year less to operate than a gasoline powered car (12k miles/year, $2.50/gal gas, 30 mpg, $.11 kWhr). So a savings of $5K over 10 years of ownership. Obviously it varies depending on the price of fuel, electricity, the fuel economy, and the number of miles driven. Also keep in mind that public quick charging stations cost more, typically about double the $.11/kWhr slow charge "home" rate. Most individuals have decided that the cost of an EV is more than they want to pay for the benefits, but the number of such individuals does seem to be shrinking.
Dec 4, 2020 17:53:54 #
berchman
Loc: South Central PA
Bbarn wrote:
In rough numbers, an EV will cost about $500 per y... (show quote)
Musk is working on a battery that costs less and will bring the cost of buying an EV down. Also, you neglected to mention the lack of maintenance as a savings. My friend who owns a Tesla said that his only cost was windshield washer fluid last year.
Dec 4, 2020 18:02:04 #
stogieboy wrote:
Well, based on this information, I guess we should... (show quote)
One other thing to consider is battery life. They last around 3 to 5 years supposedly and cost approximately 2/3 thirds the price of the car originally. So when you pay off the car you can refinance it basically again for the batteries. I guess Nissan and Toyota have a program where you can pay and extra amount per month so when the time comes for replacement they should be pretty much paid for.
Dec 4, 2020 18:10:48 #
bertloomis
Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
My gosh, you are still angry! Sorry about that once again. My whole career was in business and I did make mistakes. However, I spent zero time justifying the action I took that was mistaken and I put all my effort into doing better in the future. Rather than attacking me for your major error perhaps you should concentrate on doing better in the future.
Dec 4, 2020 18:25:17 #
A lot of hyperbole on this thread. All I will say is electric vehicles are a reality right now and will only expand in the future. If our politicians will stay out of the way the American competitive spirit will bring electric vehicles for the masses along with the infrastructure to support them. Fossil fuel vehicles will diminish as electric vehicles vie for more of the market. So, get prepared America, competition is going to heat up........quickly.
Dec 4, 2020 18:37:24 #
dwmoar
Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
TriX wrote:
An amazing amount of misinformation (and downright falsehoods) in a single post. I won’t even start to tear it apart, but just let me start with the absurd $1.16 per KWH. It varies across the country, but here in N.C., depending on your billing plan, it probably averages $.08 per KWH. The fact that the thread you posted is off by about 15x should be enough to discount this entire BS without going any further. Alternate facts.
I think you hit the nail on the head about the BS of $1.16 per KWh and the rest of his story.
I live in the pacific Northwest and the average cost here is 8.85 cents per KWh Looking on the web I found that the National average of just $0.10531 per KWh that is 10.53 cents. Hawaii is the winner in electric rates as the state that pays the most per KWH at 29.18 cents. Still way below this guy and his so called $1.16 per KWH
https://neo.ne.gov/programs/stats/inf/204.htm
Dec 4, 2020 18:38:26 #
Electric vehicles are all well and good. One thing no one talks about is the environmental and human impact of the mining of lithium to make these a great product. There is a reason why we are not mining lithium in this country.
As far as the myth of wind turbines and solar panels are concerned, what happens when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine? A couple of technologies coming up are saltwater batteries, for home use, the other is liquid metal batteries, still being researched and developed, both have a lot of potentials. Liquid metal batteries have the capabilityl of pumping a lot of voltage, current, wattage, whatever into the system when needed. Just some things worth looking at and thinking about.
As far as the myth of wind turbines and solar panels are concerned, what happens when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine? A couple of technologies coming up are saltwater batteries, for home use, the other is liquid metal batteries, still being researched and developed, both have a lot of potentials. Liquid metal batteries have the capabilityl of pumping a lot of voltage, current, wattage, whatever into the system when needed. Just some things worth looking at and thinking about.
Dec 4, 2020 18:54:18 #
dwmoar
Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
Gasman57 wrote:
It's not a question of me liking it or not. The problems start when these technologies are in their infancy and forced into use. Can you imagine if we used unproven technology in our space program.
How the heck do you think it started out ?|?|?| I am sure if we were just starting to use gas powered cars now we would be horrified at just how nasty they really are. It has taken how many years for us to get to the gas powered car of today I certainly would not use the Chevy Bolt as a gold standard to the future of electric vehicles.
Dec 4, 2020 18:57:51 #
When we run out of oil, mother nature will have already or will be taking care of the excess population. Meanwhile, we should be reducing our consumption to elongate that situation.
Dec 4, 2020 19:02:41 #
Flying Three
Loc: Berthoud, CO
I am late to this thread, but here is my experience: I have owned an all electric(Leaf) and currently have a hypermiler Honda hybrid (50 MPG highway, 43 in town) and a plug-in electric (Volt). Our Volt gets close to 60 miles on all electric in warm weather, 45-48 in cold weather. When on a trip, the VOLT runs as a hybrid and averages 42-45 MPG. You can run the Volt and never plug it in which is what we do on a trip (back when we could take a trip). We have calculated that the all electric mileage costs us about a third of what running on gasoline would cost for the same mileage.
Our thinking is, hybrid or electric uses less gasoline, thus less pollution in our towns. We know that the electric plant is polluting, but it is away from population centers and also has a better way of cleaning up their pollution at one site. Maintenance is less as the gasoline motors only run 50-60% of the time. And they are QUIET. Just think how your town or city would sound (not sound) if you were all electric. You might even hear the birds or a mouse chewing!!
Our thinking is, hybrid or electric uses less gasoline, thus less pollution in our towns. We know that the electric plant is polluting, but it is away from population centers and also has a better way of cleaning up their pollution at one site. Maintenance is less as the gasoline motors only run 50-60% of the time. And they are QUIET. Just think how your town or city would sound (not sound) if you were all electric. You might even hear the birds or a mouse chewing!!
Dec 4, 2020 19:39:38 #
dwmoar
Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
2Dragons wrote:
Well, finally someone has come up with answers to ... (show quote)
Maybe you should also not have a gas car until it comes out with a self filling one. As for paying road taxes some states are looking at a tax on vehicles for miles driven not for how much gas is put into your tank. Which would be a far better idea. Now if the states would just use the money they collect for actually repairing or building the roads, highways and bridges.
Dec 4, 2020 19:44:25 #
dwmoar
Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
2Dragons wrote:
But the majority of folks would be relying on hous... (show quote)
A mind is like a parachute..... It only works when it is open...... Advancements only happens when people have open minds.
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