47greyfox wrote:
In 4 months I'll be attending a workshop where a lot of our shooting will be on non-level hard (think stone) areas. I have an Acratech ball head but am electing to go with a tilt head instead since most of the shots will be landscape with a few panoramas thrown in. I'll be mounting the tilt head on top of a indexing pano rotator, but that still leaves the issue of leveling. I suppose for each repositioning of the tripod, I could shorten/lengthen a leg.... but I was thinking of attaching a leveling base under the rotator. Since I already have the tilt head, I don't want to buy something like the Acratech Pano and Tilt along with the Acratech leveling base (total investment $565+). Looking for suggestions.... am I asking for frustration by stacking a tilt head on a pano rotator on a leveling base? Or... am I making this too hard and should just go with my Acratech GV2 ball head?
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I shoot all my panos hand held if good light then run them through LR - pano. Amazing how well it does. I shoot vertical as I'm not perfect and maybe lose 5%. I use a tripod in low light and don't even bother to try to level more than what my eye and camera show. Again, you make the correction in post and not have waste time with a bunch of expensive hardware. I shoot a lot of Panos.
10 shots - 2 rows of 5 hand held standing on the side of hill
Gene51 wrote:
Thanks for your comments!
In my two axis pano head I too used the Sunway DOP64SI Indexed rotator on the vertical axis, but opted for the DDP64M on the horizonal so I could set the zero (start) point easier.
I would use either the Acratech or the SunwayFoto DYH-90 leveling base. It it a pain to set up a tripod by adjusting the legs. I still do that to get it close, then fine tune it with my leveling base. If you have confidence in your base, then you can leave the ball head in the bag, but I wouldn't leave it home. Otherwise, I expect to see some fine images with this great gear you'll be using!
Here are a few other panos that I assembled into a Flickr album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157687713807602Thanks for your comments! br br In my two axis pa... (
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Great pictures on your flickr site. Thanks
Gene51 wrote:
Thanks for your comments!
In my two axis pano head I too used the Sunway DOP64SI Indexed rotator on the vertical axis, but opted for the DDP64M on the horizonal so I could set the zero (start) point easier.
I would use either the Acratech or the SunwayFoto DYH-90 leveling base. It it a pain to set up a tripod by adjusting the legs. I still do that to get it close, then fine tune it with my leveling base. If you have confidence in your base, then you can leave the ball head in the bag, but I wouldn't leave it home. Otherwise, I expect to see some fine images with this great gear you'll be using!
Here are a few other panos that I assembled into a Flickr album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157687713807602Thanks for your comments! br br In my two axis pa... (
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Gene! THANKS FOR THE LINK. GREAT STUFF!!!
OhD
Loc: West Richland, WA
I have been working on the same sort of problem lately, and came up with this inexpensive gadget. It's a freebie spirit level that came with a print or something from Adorama and has been lurking in my toolbag recently. I fabricated a bracket for it out of a piece of aluminum flat bar, boring a 3/8" hole for the tripod head mounting screw and machining a slight dado on the face (rather unnecessary embellishment) to help prevent the level from getting knocked loose. I mounted the level to the bracket with some double-stick tape to try it out - when that fails I'll either get better tape or use a dab of RTV silicone.
I have to loosen the head maybe 0.05 turn on the mounting stud to rotate the level bracket on the column. It would be more convenient if it could rotate independently, but I don't see a simple way to do that yet. One must take care not to let the head come unscrewed in any case, and a leveler spinning freely might provide some warning. Not sure if that's a feature ....
To plumb the column, I align the level roughly with two feet of the tripod and adjust them to level so the column is plumb with respect to that axis, then turn the bracket on the column to align with either of the other pairs of feet and adjust the third leg to level it that way and it's done. If it's really critical one could repeat the two adjustments or check all three orientations, but if you are careful the first time it will be as right as a free level can make it.
So far it has worked quite well - a great value for the modest investment of perhaps 40 minutes and some scrap metal. It's compact enough to (just) fit between the stowed legs of my MeFoto C1350 tripod where it is fairly well protected, and weighs only a few grams. I'd have preferred to install it with the level on top, but it's a little too tall to clear the lock knobs on the head. Somebody with a mill could probably make a much refined version using a little smaller spirit level. If you do, please send me one. If you'd like a design collaborator, let me know.
47greyfox wrote:
In 4 months I'll be attending a workshop where a lot of our shooting will be on non-level hard (think stone) areas. I have an Acratech ball head but am electing to go with a tilt head instead since most of the shots will be landscape with a few panoramas thrown in. I'll be mounting the tilt head on top of a indexing pano rotator, but that still leaves the issue of leveling. I suppose for each repositioning of the tripod, I could shorten/lengthen a leg.... but I was thinking of attaching a leveling base under the rotator. Since I already have the tilt head, I don't want to buy something like the Acratech Pano and Tilt along with the Acratech leveling base (total investment $565+). Looking for suggestions.... am I asking for frustration by stacking a tilt head on a pano rotator on a leveling base? Or... am I making this too hard and should just go with my Acratech GV2 ball head?
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This is or is about the simplest and least expensive way to go.
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
uhaas2009 wrote:
With today’s software you don’t need to worry about the nodal position anymore. I took one pano with a 70-200 mm lens @ about 70mm free hand. Stitched in LR without problem.
I would try this before I would buy expensive equipment
Sorry but you don't seem to understand why someone would want to use a zero-parallax tripod head, or how it works, or what it does for a stitched panorama that has foreground elements that obscure middle or background elements.
This is something that software cannot really correct, other than using content aware and patch and cloning tools.
You can better understand the notion of parallax error if you look at something that has potential parallax error. Stretch your arm directly in front of you, pointing your thumb up. Open your right eye to look at the scene. Then without changing your head position, close right right eye and open your left eye. Is the scene EXACTLY the same viewed though the other eye? Probably not. A zero parallax rotator head will move the axis of rotation to the entrance pupil of the lens, which eliminates parallax error as you rotate the lens.
This video is helpful to understand this if my explanation isn't sufficient. He uses his thumb to illustrate parallax as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzWbGM8AU8s
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Uhm! No one is paying me for taking any photos (actually I got paid taking pictures with my cellphone only) and I don't think I invest in photographic equipment but rather spending money and buy them.
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
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Many photographers are obsessed about maintaining a level horizon and maintaining the camera level as well. It really doesn't matter at all, as long as your component images cover the scene with a little extra for correcting the horizon, too much sky/foreground etc. All a level will do is reduce the number of shots you'll need to take - a nice convenience, but not essential.
Maybe someone already mentioned it and I missed it, but why not put your rotator between the ball head and the clamp? You'd use the ball head to level the rotator.
47greyfox
Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
aflundi wrote:
Maybe someone already mentioned it and I missed it, but why not put your rotator between the ball head and the clamp? You'd use the ball head to level the rotator.
That was a thought early on, but the rotator offers some resistance even when unclamped. If I don't securely grip the ballhead while rotating the camera (clamp), it puts a strain on the tightened ballhead and the tripod below it. I know that may sound petty but it gets annoying especially when my hands operate before my brain reminds them of what might happen.
47greyfox
Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
Gene51 wrote:
Many photographers are obsessed about maintaining a level horizon and maintaining the camera level as well. It really doesn't matter at all, as long as your component images cover the scene with a little extra for correcting the horizon, too much sky/foreground etc. All a level will do is reduce the number of shots you'll need to take - a nice convenience, but not essential.
As usual, you make a good point, Gene. My issue all along is a bit of an obsession with finding an easy way of quickly leveling the camera without having to adjust my tripod legs. Hence my looking at a combination of head and leveling base. Acratech's long lens tilt head and level base combination would be ideal, but I was looking for a way to achieve the equivalent without spending $500+
All that aside, the suggestions from all have been helpful. For my personal application, I think my Acratech GV2 ballhead and a leveling base may be the best combination. But, your suggestion to also bring the pano rotor and tilt head is also a good one. For this workshop, I'm driving from Denver to Moab, UT. And like the wife wisely reminds me, "you're driving, why are you even thinking whether you should bring something or not?"
Thanks to all!!
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