dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

You are correct in your thoughts. NIB does mean, New in Box. I have sold a lot of cameras and firearms. The correct terminology for the seller might have been ANIB, As New in Box. But even that would not apply in your case since the charger was scuffed. You had a right to expect a new camera with everything else packed in the box. I suspect if you took a photograph and checked the shutter count it has been used.

If it was me I would contact the seller and expect a monetary refund, if you still like the camera, or send it back for a full refund.

Dennis

NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC

ONU Opened Never Used

jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY

While I might agree with you...sometimes; not in this case.
If you don't understand NIB...maybe you better understand the posting that the OP referred to mid thread. Once you see them both-- even you might agree with Bill. I don't need to see more than the original post to agree.
So, superior intelligence is not needed-- just common sense.
4 pages of comments.. Maybe the OP, if not so insecure, could have posted a 'BEWARE of the E-bay seller'!

StanMac Loc: Tennessee

[quote=rcarol][quote=jeweler53]post the original listing.[/

I made a copy of the original listing which I cannot find at the moment. But I went to My eBay and retrieved the following link:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NIKON-COOLPIX-P7800-CAS000388/373320624446?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

If you scroll down you will see that the seller describes the offering as "new" and what is included.[/quote]

The seller describes its Condition as 100% Brand New. It appears, from your description, that the item and box contents are not Brand New if they show signs of use. The price is quite low for a Brand New Coolpix 7800, even if discontinued. I would assess whether the camera and box contents as received is worth, to me, the price I paid for it. If so, I’d keep it. If not I’d initiate a return.

The shop that is selling the item describes itself as a pawn shop. I wouldn’t expect that a pawn shop gets many brand new items into their stock that are brand spanking new.

Stan

frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.

NIB is a new, unused product.....

The question is, even though it was miss represented, are you Happy with it. If so, keep it and give a BAD report. If not return it for full refund, call and report to CC company, eBay, etc. Go that ever you have to do to get A COMPLETE refund.

spraguead Loc: Boston, MA

Regardless of "Taking the seller to task", do you want to keep the product for the price you paid? If so, then I would ask for price adjustment of any missing items. If you really want "new in box" initiate a return. You'll get all your money back as the seller misrepresented the item. I just went through something similar, and although my funds were tied up during the process, it was all good in the end.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

I would expand that to include something placed in a display case and maybe fondled by consumers now and then, but with no marks or use and including everything that would also have came in the box.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Dear Hoggers: I rarely buy anything on eBay. I usually buy from the manufacturer or a reputable store such as Macy’s or B&H.
“NIB” is taken to mean “New In Box.” I don’t believe this is the case here. A camera and the charger would still be in the Polyethylene bag. The charger’s cable would be wrapped up and secured with a plastic tie of sorts. There would be a ZERO Shutter Count (I don’t know how to retrieve it). If there are memory cards still in the camera, you can use that as evidence. There would be documentation, a manual, and perhaps a warranty card to be filled out. If they are not present it is difficult to use that fact as evidence. (More about this later in this text.)

I am very reluctant to buy anything from EBay. When I’m looking at an item, I want to see what conditions are about the item and the price listed for the same or similar item. An item should be returnable if I’m not satisfied. If the EBay lister doesn’t accept returns there is something “fishy.”
I am inclined to believe the lister falsely misrepresented the camera so as to obtain a maximum amount for the item. Not only is that not fair, it is illegal and deeply frowned upon by the EBay Administrators.

You have several avenues to resolve this problem. You could contact the lister and ask if they will accept a return. You could ask the lister if they will refund a portion of your money because the item was clearly not New In Box. You should mention to the lister what is written in the previous paragraph. You may have PayPal suspend the purchase if the item was paid for in that manner. PayPal will fight this purchase on your behalf.

If the lister doesn’t wish to cooperate, your recourse now gets ugly. You can give the lister a bad review. So what? I’m inclined to believe some people don’t read the reviews anyway. Your choice would be small claims court. I recommend using Civil Court-Small Claims Part because the item or damage is under $2000. In some jurisdictions, $3000 is the maximum. Small claims court has several advantages. Your case gets heard and reviewed by an impartial judge (or mediator). This case will likely be ruled in your favor because the seller clearly misrepresented the item for sale. (Remember, you have evidence to present). That is an attempt at theft.

The disadvantage here is that you have to take time to present the case. Sometimes there is night court. If the other party doesn’t show, you still present your case to the judge and it will be reviewed as an inquest. You are likely this case will be ruled in your favor.
Oh, one last thing, don’t tell the other party you are bringing them to court. In essence by doing that, you are preparing the “enemy” for a fight. You are putting them on guard.

I am not an attorney. Neither do you need one. I have taken several people to Small Claims Court over the years and have learned what to do and not do. You can call The court or better if you go down and get a booklet as to how to present your case. It may even be online.

As for other Hoggers being curt with you, please ignore them. I have asked questions here and I have received negative responses but I’m met with good responses and even great answers to rather simple and almost silly questions on my part.

Please be well and stay safe.

Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey

It clearly states “New” which by looking at the camera itself doesn’t look new. Besides, the seller is a pawn shop and I highly doubt they have new unused camera for sale. If it were me, I’d return it and keep shopping.
Good luck.

olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida

I just looked at the linked listing - The item does indeed look like a fine example of "misrepresentation" (the obviously used charger is a huge clue). You don't need courts or lawyers or any of that = With Ebay - if an item is misrepresented, there is no argument (Ebay see's to that). I do have a lot of Ebay exp... when an item has been misrepesented (Even when the seller states "No returns/no refunds", if the seller won't make it right), Ebay forces the issue, helps them make it right, and makes it all right $$.. In this case the seller should never have used the word "new" in the description.

Press the seller to make right (if you like the item but feel some cash is due back to you), if they won't; Then use the return/refund process as intended, it works well (and you should not have to pay for return shipping - seller messed up, seller pays). And that has been my experience with anything I received that was misrepresented. By the way, I have many many fine purchases on Ebay, and have sold well too. Sad, but my worst experiences with this have been with actual "brick n mortar" camera stores selling on Ebay - No, not KEH or UsedPhotPro, they do sell some on Ebay, but still do "stand-up business" even if sold on Ebay. And some of the best sellers have been pawnshops............

photoman43

I also agree.

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

From what I could find on e-bay there is nothing listed for NIB meaning anything. It doesn’t really matter what NIB means to you, or what NIB means on other forums. It doesn’t matter what common sense says NIB means or what logic dictates NIB means, and it doesn’t matter what NIB should mean. Within the confines of e-bay, which is where this transaction took place, NIB has no meaning. Ethically the seller is wrong and I would not and will not buy from that seller. I am not a lawyer, but I am afraid there may be no legal recourse.

rcarol

Because I'm a simple person.

rvenneman Loc: Yuma, AZ

It is sad that we need to “filter” (no pun intended) everything we purchase, especially on eBay and Craigslist. I am not sure in NIB is a legal abbreviation such as NOS (new old stock” is in the industry. If NIB is not an actual legal abbreviation, then I think a look into eBay’s sellers and buyers terminology. However, if it is not an accepted abbreviation and held by certain descriptions, the the implied meaning might be accepted.
NIB to means a new item with all the factory accessories. But as BebuLamar stated, NIB to him or her means “in an unopened sealed box. I agree with that. Any item that comes in a box or envelope purchased in a store is New in Box so my idea what NIB had just changed.
And then we have “open box” and store “demo”.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

The condition of the camera you bought is definitely not NIB. New in box means the product is unused and it's in its original packaging with all accessories and documentation that would have been in the package if you had purchased it in a store. Anything less than that is not NIB.