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Nov 19, 2020 09:36:30   #
bsmith52 Loc: Northeast Alabama
 
Going through old photographs, I realized that some of my best outdoor color soc photos were from my Nikon D50 with kit lens. In most cases, it's not even close. Wish I hadn't sold it to help fund my next gas attack.

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Nov 19, 2020 09:45:06   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Some of the world's greatest images were captured by people who didn't know they needed a new camera.

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Nov 19, 2020 10:20:02   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
bsmith52 wrote:
Going through old photographs, I realized that some of my best outdoor color soc photos were from my Nikon D50 with kit lens. In most cases, it's not even close. Wish I hadn't sold it to help fund my next gas attack.


Still have and use my D50 as a backup. Great colors with the CCD sensor. Lot of fun shooting with it.

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Nov 19, 2020 14:38:05   #
Amator21 Loc: California
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I suspect that this thread may garner many pages.

There are many great successful photographers that have had academic training. There are many bad photographers that have many letters after their name and can quote every photo-technical theory chapter and verse and take lousy pictures.

There are many self-taught photographers that do superb work and probably as many self-taught photographers that should have gone to school in that they developed bad habits and never learned the basics.

There are many imaginative ad creative photographers that have incredibly great and ambitious concepts but don't know how to execute any of them.

Every serious craftsperson, professional or amateur wants the best tools to work with. Inferior, inappropriate, or malfunctioning tools can hamper even the most talented and savvy worker. There is, however, a misconception among some unsuccessful photoghrers, who are unhappy withte results, that an upgrade of equipment will solve their issues where in reality their deficit is in their faulty technique, a low level of skill or lack of "education" whether it is self-acquired knowledge or that gained in an academic setting. Makes no difference- they just don't know what they are doing.

There are cases where the photograher is experiencing an equipment-based issue that is holding him or her back in certain aspects of their work and a new lens, light, camera or another accessory will solve the problem. Some things can't be improvised worked around so out comes the piggybank!

Sometimes overly complicated and complex equipment becomes a deterrent to improving technically or artistically in photography. Too much automation can get in the way of learning necessary rudiments. Sometimes too much gear gets in the way between the photographer and the subjects- too much fumbling around can be a distraction.

School vs. Self-teaching? I consider myself fortunate that I did have some formal education- so I have some "wallpaper" and some basic theory to fall back on for problem-solving. I served as a military photographic specialist so I was forced to take certain specific training. I like to keep up with current stuff so I have always taken seminars and classes from time to time. Nonetheless, what I have learned on the "street" and on the job is knowledge and experience that I could not have attained in a classroom or from any book or tutorial.
I am certain I could have learned a good part of the theory by trial and error and experimentation but oftentimes just taking in a class or doing some old-fashioned book-learning can save a heck of a lot of time and money.

One thing I can tell y'all as a long time teacher and trainer- NO ONE can teach talent- you can only inspire your students and trainees to utilize the talent that they have and give them the mental tools to work with. A good teacher does not want to "clone himself" and produce "disciples" that adhere to his or her own style and philosophy. Too much of that is ongoing so you have students and fans practicing "idol worship" instead of developing their own styles and skills.

GAS? Gas can be painful- as a kid, I ate 4 cans of baked beans and the pains were so intense I was convinced I was having a heart attack at 15- years old-. A bottle of pop made it worse and I thought I was gonna explode. A good friend of mine taught me how to make Arroz con Gandules- real rice and beans (well actually pigeon peas) recipe- YUMMY! the starch in the rice absorbers the gas!

OK- some folks approach photography like stamp collectors, or coin collectors, or sports-card collectors and just NEED to have the next new whatever to complete their collection which is never completed. They have the right to enjoy their gear, so if the can afford it- more power to them! The manufactures and the retailers have to make a living and the market has to be there to supply them with revenue so the can continue to make advances in all the stuff they bring us.
I suspect that this thread may garner many pages. ... (show quote)


A very thoughtful and informative post. UGH is fortunate to have people who are willing to share their thoughts and let others learn from their experiences.

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Nov 19, 2020 16:00:21   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
I mentioned shooting gear earlier in this post. The tough part about photo gear is that digital improvements are more difficult to assess than hardware. Been down both roads and have or had fewer "wish I hadn't done that" moments with my marksmanship hardware than I have with my photo gear.

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Nov 19, 2020 16:11:32   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
An ounce of practice is worth more than 30 megapixels.


Wisely spoken.

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Nov 20, 2020 12:24:03   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
An endorsement by a participant of the benefits of excellent photography training:

“If I'd spent more on Mike's training and less on gear, I'd be a lot further down my photography path - and have change in my pocket!”

Like the participant, I have spent too much on equipment over the years and not enough on honing my skills.


Why spend valuable time thinking and talking about this subject when you can buy your way out of an important part of it. If new features on new cameras will make your task easier or quicker, such as in-camera stacking, and that's what you want, then buy the most, latest, best you possibly can for newer features, speed, and hopefully reliability that does what you want and the rest is up to YOU. At least, then, you know where the responsibility lies for the outcome. If you have no pride in what you're doing or care how long it takes, use your old camera 'til it dies and buy another used one just like it. If you're a serious and competitive pro where time is money, you upgrade or your business will likely die a slow and painful death.

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Nov 20, 2020 12:27:03   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
How do you know you're not a successful photographer until you've used the best cameras?

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Nov 20, 2020 12:30:52   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
How do you know you're not a successful photographer until you've used the best cameras?


I've entered The Twilight Zone. LOL.

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Nov 20, 2020 12:46:28   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
How do you know you're not a successful photographer until you've used the best cameras?


That depends on how one measures success but in my case, I know that regardless of the camera used, it is clear to me that I'd never be a successful photographer by looking at the results I get now and seeing what drastic improvement is required.

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Nov 20, 2020 12:52:59   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
As a wise man once said: Photography is 80% mental, and the other half is the camera.

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Nov 20, 2020 15:49:35   #
spaceytracey Loc: East Glacier Park, MT
 
One should get the best equipment they can afford. Some basic training should also be obtained. The combination of equipment & knowledge should pay off if even only minor talent is present.

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Nov 20, 2020 16:22:29   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Gene51 wrote:
I'm not sure how acquiring new equipment prevents someone from learning and practicing. In fact, in my case, when I get in a creative rut, a new piece of gear often jump starts my mojo and gets me out again. I have never spent a nickel on any photographic training, other than a couple of Photoshop books back in the early 90's when there wasn't as much free content available as today.


I think you are right. A tool is a tool is a tool. How good someone is with any tool is how much they learn about the tool and how to use it to meet their needs. Photography is not different than carpentry or wood carving. Wood can be carved with a little pen knife. Or wood can be carved with sharp various shaped chisels and mallets. Both can produce beautiful works of art. But should one buy a pen knife if he wants to carve a horse - at the same size as a real horse? One can use a pen knife to carve a full size horse. But won't it be a lot easier with a full set of chisels and a mallets? The proper tool always helps the artist, and that includes cameras too.

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Nov 20, 2020 17:05:10   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
My first digital camera was a Kodak DX7630 PaS. It took pretty good photos, but the capture delay and poor low-light performance caused me to look for a better tool very soon. With a recommendation from a BFF who was a USAF photographer, I bought a Nikon D50 (at the time (2005) a hot item and what he was using). The improvement in my indoor pictures was significant. Some years later I moved on to a D7000 to get better low-light functionality. And when salt air destroyed it I got a D7100. I have found no need to upgrade beyond that point. I use it and an 18-200VR2 zoom for all my photography, and am quite satisfied with it. Professional I'm not, but I'm not ashamed of my pictures. (I post a lot of them here, even the older, poorer, ones.)

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Nov 20, 2020 19:20:44   #
Turnings Loc: Rogers, MN
 
Anotherview, interesting response. I have heard that it takes 10 years to become good in many pursuits that require eye, hand, coordination, vision - spatial skills.

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